AVO turbo kit for BRZ - initial build thread

[nix]

Paul since there are now reflashes for both Toyota and Subaru for the CEL issue, can you comment on the way ecutek will pass those type of ecu fixes down to everyone? Through the tuner, or direct to customers etc?

Also have you tried running the kit on the stock ecu? I can see random avo customer #3412 taking their car to a dealer and the dealer flashing it without telling them.

Nick.

[itdansharpe]

Paul, I want to clarify on Canadian gas. 91 is abundant and most stations state no ethanol. There is also 94 available. Does 91 in the states have ethanol? And what kind of power would the stage 1 make with 94?

[Brody602]

@AVOturboworld Thank you very much for your fast and well said response.

On a second note, my brother has a COBB AP for his Evo X and he did "E-Tunes" with a tuner through data logging.

I believe datalogging etc is something we can do with EcuTek, so my question is do you/will you offer something similar to e-tunes for people who are having issues and live far from a tunning shop such as myself, or even someone who wants more of a performance tune as opposed to a base tune? If so, what would the price point be for this service?

*Not sure if you can answer this following question*

I've been looking into the Android app "Torque" which uses an OBD II bluetooth transmitter, to monitor your cars sensors, with options of having AFR gauges and Boost gauges and what not, and from what I've read, it's pretty accurate. My question is, do you know if the app would be able to determine the boost of my car? I believe it uses the MAF or MAP sensors in vehicles and also if you enter engine specifics etc it calculates it more accurately I believe.

Because this would be an option to monitor my car for a cheap rate with little installation hassle of gauges.

Thank you so much!

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by itdansharpe

Paul, I want to clarify on Canadian gas. 91 is abundant and most stations state no ethanol. There is also 94 available. Does 91 in the states have ethanol? And what kind of power would the stage 1 make with 94?

I remember reading previous posts about Paul stating that sourcing ethanol free gas where they are located is a problem, and ethanol apparently results in less performance. (Dont quote me on that, but I believe thats what I remember)

Also, on 94 I would imagine you can expect close to the Japan dyno results (because their gas is better then what AVO america has been using, Japans stage 1 results were 250WHP/222WTQ I believe.

Currently AVO America has been using 91 octane with ethanol blend for the most part.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong..

[driver01]

Originally Posted by itdansharpe

Paul, I want to clarify on Canadian gas. 91 is abundant and most stations state no ethanol. There is also 94 available. Does 91 in the states have ethanol? And what kind of power would the stage 1 make with 94?

I believe Petrocanada 94 has ethanol in it.

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by driver01

I believe Petrocanada 94 has ethanol in it.

Pulled this from their website;
http://retail.petro-canada.ca/en/ind...t/2056.aspx#Is Ultra 94 sold at Petro-Canada still the same fuel that I purchased at Sunoco?

Does Ultra 94 contain ethanol? Does Petro-Canada still offer an ethanol-free gasoline?
Ultra 94 contains ethanol. Due to the fact that various fuel grades are blended at the point of sale, most grades of Petro-Canada fuel may now contain up to 10% ethanol. This represents a change from the previous state, where premium fuel was ethanol-free at Petro-Canada.

But regardless of the ethanol, it would still be better then 91% that is ethanol free IMO.

It's a shame ethanol free gas is getting harder and harder to find..

[vubaru]

As far as longevity is concerned, my BRZ is my current daily driver so I hope to be able to give some thoughts on long-term reliability once the kit is on.

I'm hoping to do a cross-country trip in Spring with the turbo

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by vubaru

As far as longevity is concerned, my BRZ is my current daily driver so I hope to be able to give some thoughts on long-term reliability once the kit is on.

I'm hoping to do a cross-country trip in Spring with the turbo

Still haven't decided if once I obtain my FR-S if it'll be my DD or just a summer car.. But I wSnt exagerating when i asked for reliability from 5,000-250,000km i want this car to last a VERY LONG time

[vubaru]

Originally Posted by Brody602

Still haven't decided if once I obtain my FR-S if it'll be my DD or just a summer car.. But I wSnt exagerating when i asked for reliability from 5,000-250,000km i want this car to last a VERY LONG time

Me too about the 250,000 km, only I'd rather it be in mi.

The way I look at it is, if a big item (tranny, engine) breaks, my reaction will be "Uh oh, need a built motor" or "uh oh, need a hardened tranny/dogbox."

I hope that doesn't have to happen, but when modifying a car in this manner, you have to at least acknowledge the non-zero possibility.

[AVOturboworld]

Originally Posted by Brody602

Currently AVO America has been using 91 octane with ethanol blend for the most part.

We used 91 octane with a variety of ethanol blends during that 4 day road trip/tune to SEMA and back, and the base map is set around that. On 92 octane w/ethanol, the ECU will adjust and gain a bit of power.

The best way to view the base map is that it's going to be something we'll feel safe for, say, a dealership to have a customer run. As in, walk in off the street, buy the car, and doesn't involve themselves in tuning or careful gas selection after that point.

That's why we do suggest that, whenever it's possible, to get the car tuned for the local gas and to your preferences. But we certainly understand a lot of people are not near a tuner, United States/Canada is a big, big place, and so we are trying to ensure it's a fun drive even on that base map.

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by vubaru

As far as longevity is concerned, my BRZ is my current daily driver so I hope to be able to give some thoughts on long-term reliability once the kit is on.

I'm hoping to do a cross-country trip in Spring with the turbo

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

We used 91 octane with a variety of ethanol blends during that 4 day road trip/tune to SEMA and back, and the base map is set around that. On 92 octane w/ethanol, the ECU will adjust and gain a bit of power.

The best way to view the base map is that it's going to be something we'll feel safe for, say, a dealership to have a customer run. As in, walk in off the street, buy the car, and doesn't involve themselves in tuning or careful gas selection after that point.

That's why we do suggest that, whenever it's possible, to get the car tuned for the local gas and to your preferences. But we certainly understand a lot of people are not near a tuner, United States/Canada is a big, big place, and so we are trying to ensure it's a fun drive even on that base map.

I'll only be running 91 octane 99.9% of the time, so I'm hoping the base tune will be actually a "pretty decent" tune, i don't mind the fact that it's conservative, better safe then sorry! Also one of the main attractions of this kit TO ME, is the DIY option, as I stated before, I don't live anywhere near a tunner, so the fact that this kit will be coming with a very detailed installation manual and a base tune is a selling point for me, labour can be pricey and I prefer to do things myself and get that sense of accomplishment, it's just no feasible to install a turbo kit and have to trailer the vehicle to get it tuned in order to run the car lol.. Also the whp range the kit provides is what I want, not too high to have to be too concerned of needing to upgrade everything to withstand the extra power but enough for fun while not really (hopefully) affecting the reliability of the car ! (Also if you can maybe take a look at my previous post about e-tunes, it woild be appreciated )

Cheers,
Keep up the awesome work,
Brody

[AVOturboworld]

E-tunes is something we hesitate to approach at this time - not because we cannot do them, but because we are spending 100% of our time working on the stage 1 and stage 2 tunes for m/t's and a/t's, and probably won't have that much time left over to work on individual tunes. However, that may change by the time we have kits out and in everybodies hands, so I'll keep that as a maybe for now.

[vubaru]

Originally Posted by Brody602

@AVOturboworld Thank you very much for your fast and well said response.

On a second note, my brother has a COBB AP for his Evo X and he did "E-Tunes" with a tuner through data logging.

I believe datalogging etc is something we can do with EcuTek, so my question is do you/will you offer something similar to e-tunes for people who are having issues and live far from a tunning shop such as myself, or even someone who wants more of a performance tune as opposed to a base tune? If so, what would the price point be for this service?

*Not sure if you can answer this following question*

I've been looking into the Android app "Torque" which uses an OBD II bluetooth transmitter, to monitor your cars sensors, with options of having AFR gauges and Boost gauges and what not, and from what I've read, it's pretty accurate. My question is, do you know if the app would be able to determine the boost of my car? I believe it uses the MAF or MAP sensors in vehicles and also if you enter engine specifics etc it calculates it more accurately I believe.

Because this would be an option to monitor my car for a cheap rate with little installation hassle of gauges.

Thank you so much!

Well, as far as datalogging is concerned, Ecutek has that function and this kit is an Ecutek-tuned kit. If you don't have an Ecutek license, you'll need to get one. But once you have that license you can take logs and send them to whoever. Remote tuning on a dyno is always an option, ***Although it appears from Paul's response above that AVO will not be providing that service for now.

My understanding is that you will be able to get your own tunes as well should you want to, since AVO provides a base map only and Ecutek is tunable by other licensed tuners. HOWEVER, I would caution that AVO's base maps will be spot-on since they know their own gear, and I am planning on running AVO's base map for 93.

[Brody602]

Originally Posted by vubaru

Well, as far as datalogging is concerned, Ecutek has that function and this kit is an Ecutek-tuned kit. If you don't have an Ecutek license, you'll need to get one. But once you have that license you can take logs and send them to whoever. Remote tuning on a dyno is always an option, ***Although it appears from Paul's response above that AVO will not be providing that service for now.

My understanding is that you will be able to get your own tunes as well should you want to, since AVO provides a base map only and Ecutek is tunable by other licensed tuners. HOWEVER, I would caution that AVO's base maps will be spot-on since they know their own gear, and I am planning on running AVO's base map for 93.

Yeah, that is one of the reasons why I asked if they will be doing e-tunes, because no one knows their own product more then the manufacturer themselves, I can probably bring it to one of the shops about 7 hours away or even get an e-tune from someone else, but trusting someone with a tune for your car is LITERALLY trusting them with the life of your car, and I have A LOT more trust in AVO then anyone else to tune the kit they sell, I'm also anticipating that their "base tune" will be spot on and an actual decent tune, from what I've read they've been tunning it for almost every possible condition the car can go through ;D they're doing massive amounts of data logging, which is deffinitely a selling point!