What happened to the Works drop-in air filter thread???

[AllDayJonRay]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

Where were the fitment problems noted?

Page 9 of the exhaust development thread there are two posts back to back where fitment was an issue. One member didn't care. The other said he went to a local muffler shop to have it looked at, and they were unable to align it any better.

It was't a major fitment problem issue, though one tip was lower and protruded more than the other.

[was385]

Originally Posted by tdoggy57

Thinking about cancelling now lol

I've been waiting for the independent dyno to confirm the gains before buying, but based on the thread being closed and the restrictions on the "independent test", I think I'll probably just end up going with Perrin.

[tdoggy57]

Originally Posted by was385

I've been waiting for the independent dyno to confirm the gains before buying, but based on the thread being closed and the restrictions on the "independent test", I think I'll probably just end up going with Perrin.

Thats what Im starting to think. This whole little ordeal here strikes me the wrong way

[86_ZN6]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

Yes, I posted that I may have the generic bolt-on muffler concept replicated at a local shop. I wasn't aware that you had copyright...

Isn't that the same design concept that Berk Technology sells to this community? Which seems more shady, a company using a design identical to another's, made to generate a profit, or the consumer who plans on having a one-off made for personal use only. Don' throw stones...

And shady means withholding or hiding information, or in your case, deterring the community from getting the objective test results it wants.. Shady is not openly saying that I might have a local muffler shop replicate the design, (especially when the only motivation I had to try a local shop was the lack of quality in your design)...

no copyright for the exhaust. but to post such thing in my very own thread about replicating it is a direct slap to the face and shows what kind of individual you are. give a little

how about we all go to every commercial posting here and say, "hey! nice design. Let me copy and replicate it." ethical or not??

have a good day buddy!

[86_ZN6]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Just curious, but why a dynapack?

dynapack is what we used to test the filtet. and i want to keep it consistent JUST for the sake of this test.

one can dyno it using a mustang or dynojet and post some results and noobs (people who dont understand the differences on dynos) will start asking "hmmmm why different in numbers?" then the debate continues..

but if a dynapck result will be posted, similar and very close numbers will be attained and it will finally bring the argument to the end without further debate.

this is no means of deterring people to make independent dyno testing. im not stopping anyone for doing such testing. but if you want a FREE filter, you must have a dynapack

Originally Posted by was385

I've been waiting for the independent dyno to confirm the gains before buying, but based on the thread being closed and the restrictions on the "independent test"

[86_ZN6]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

And FWIW, I am (however, now I'm leaning toward was) still on the boat to go with your axle back, pending the results of your 'corrected jig'. But I'm beginning to see that you don't really stand by your products.

i would actually prefer NOT to deal and sell you the exhaust because of your intention to copy and replicate it

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

no copyright for the exhaust. but to post such thing in my very own thread about replicating it is a direct slap to the face and shows what kind of individual you are. give a little

how about we all go to every commercial posting here and say, "hey! nice design. Let me copy and replicate it." ethical or not??

have a good day buddy!

What's unique about the exhaust? Don't take this as an attack I'm just wondering what makes it a copy. Heck Perrin could say I "copied" their oil cooler because I have an oil cooler with lines and a mocal sandwich plate I haven't seen your exhaust or his thread so I'm just curious if you are doing something unusual with the exhaust routing/etc.

[86_ZN6]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

What's unique about the exhaust? Don't take this as an attack I'm just wondering what makes it a copy. Heck Perrin could say I "copied" their oil cooler because I have an oil cooler with lines and a mocal sandwich plate I haven't seen your exhaust or his thread so I'm just curious if you are doing something unusual with the exhaust routing/etc.

the exhuast that we have is a muffler delete type exhaust has a resonator or a small muffler.

he deliberately posted on my commercial thread stating that he want to copy and replicate my exhaust because the exhaust had minor tips issues (which was already corrected)

i just feel that it was slap to the face. what do you think?

i mean he is more than welcome to copy it but just dont say it directly right?

[was385]

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

i would actually prefer NOT to deal and sell you the exhaust because of your intention to copy and replicate it

Come on man, you gotta quit this. I went to your exhaust thread after you brought this up to see what you were talking about and he only said he could have a muffler shop whip one up if the issues weren't fixed. I'm not sure why you think he'd buy it and then pay for someone to copy it.

[AllDayJonRay]

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

no copyright for the exhaust. but to post such thing in my very own thread about replicating it is a direct slap to the face and shows what kind of individual you are. give a little

how about we all go to every commercial posting here and say, "hey! nice design. Let me copy and replicate it." ethical or not??

have a good day buddy!

You posted a plug for your piece in a review thread about the Berk delete.
So Again, let's not throw stones...

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

dynapack is what we used to test the filtet. and i want to keep it consistent JUST for the sake of this test.

one can dyno it using a mustang or dynojet and post some results and noobs (people who dont understand the differences on dynos) will start asking "hmmmm why different in numbers?" then the debate continues..

but if a dynapck result will be posted, similar and very close numbers will be attained and it will finally bring the argument to the end without further debate.

this is no means of deterring people to make independent dyno testing. im not stopping anyone for doing such testing. but if you want a FREE filter, you must have a dynapack

This is just excuses. Limiting the testing criteria absolutely DOES deter people from getting the parts proving they requested, because you are forcing someone to spend ~$100 on a dyno session because it must be a dynapack, when you have shops waiting to test your part, on a more reliable dyno.., for FREE.

Using a dynojet will show the same exact percentage gain as a dynapack, and all questions will be answered. Let's be straight, the issue is that you don't want the questions to be answered, for fear of getting the answer you didn't want.

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

i would actually prefer NOT to deal and sell you the exhaust because of your intention to copy and replicate it

This literally makes me lol, for a few reasons actually.

The first: Copy/pasting & printing the picture of your exhaust is all it takes to replicate it. A shop doesn't need the part in hand, lol.

The second: If I were going to replicate it, why would I spend my money on it first? lol

Third: Proof of your lack of business savvy. Business is business. You should be willing to sell your parts to the Devil if he wanted them.

'Copy and replicate' implies that I plan on taking your exhaust directly copying it, with the same muffler and tips, and producing it to make a profit. Come on now...

And again, why is your exhaust the same exact design as Berk?

Let's get one thing straight. I in no way plan on boycotting your business, or picketing for people to stop buying your stuff. You've got some things in your online store that I am seriously interested in. I'm just strongly suggesting you do a better job appeasing the community you serve. The community that pays your bills.

[AllDayJonRay]

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

the exhuast that we have is a muffler delete type exhaust has a resonator or a small muffler.

he deliberately posted on my commercial thread stating that he want to copy and replicate my exhaust because the exhaust had minor tips issues (which ***EDIT: has since been*** corrected)

i just feel that it was slap to the face. what do you think?

i mean he is more than welcome to copy it but just dont say it directly right?

See my edit to your statement above. I said that for the money, I could have the same thing made, and have the shop local to be accountable for fitment issues...

And its not nearly unique enough to be considered 'ripped off'. It's IDENTICAL to Berk's unit, with the addition of a Resonator/Muffler.

[86_ZN6]

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

And its not nearly unique enough to be considered 'ripped off'. It's IDENTICAL to Berk's unit, with the addition of a Resonator/Muffler.

Originally Posted by AllDayJonRay

And again, why is your exhaust the same exact design as Berk?

sorry to burst your bubble but had the design ever since june.

got the car on may. (first 86er here)

BERK is just a bigger company that's why they were able to release theirs first.

[AllDayJonRay]

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

sorry to burst your bubble but had the design ever since june.

got the car on may. (first 86er here)

BERK is just a bigger company that's why they were able to release theirs first.

You realize that's not the point, right? Nor does "I thought of it first" mean anything. They released a component, strictly straight pipe. Then all of a sudden you have a solution to the complaints regarding droning/noise level with the identical product, but you added a muffler...

I'm not saying you didn't think of it first. And I'm not saying that you stole the design. All I'm saying is, try not to harp on someone about 'stealing' your completely generic design when an argument could easily be made that you did the same, but are generating a profit from it.

For the third time, don't throw stones.... (I'll finish it this time for you) in a glass house.

[Trojan_SC]

People need to just STFU and quit complaining. I posted Dyno results a while back and everyone started bitching that I didn't do a run with the OEM filter. Sorry, I don't have 2x the money to do two separate dyno runs. If you guys want to pitch in on 2 dyno runs, you can paypal me and I'm more than willing to do independent dyno-ing (on a dynojet) lol. Personally I don't like the fact that the OP is putting conditions that it must be a Dynapack (which from my understanding does inflate hp #'s), but that is my opinion. If you don't like what the OP is saying/doing, don't buy their product.