Report: Supercharged Toyota 86 being developed by TRD!!

[Syldrin]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Most likely because the owner did a pulley, intercooler or intake system upgrade with no catch can allowing carbon and filter oil junk it up. Or they can tell by the tires in the front are bald to the rear = abuse. So many variables.

You know how much it cost Toyota for an Eaton M45/M62 unit? ~$300.. It'd cost you $1200 to replace.

You know how much a vortech unit cost a dealer? $~1400. It'd cost you $2200-2500 to replace.

I'd pick Eaton for price but I'd rather have a Vortech for efficiency, simplicity and bigger power.

there were guys with stock S/C's going bad i personally pulled a few off cars with no mods on them due to toyota not covering the customer.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by youngxlos

if you are going to go with a different block why not just build the block that came with the car? seems dumb to me to go and find a different block to handle the boost when you can just build what you already have.


have you ever driven a car with over 200hp? once you get a taste of that power you always want more and more....

lol i currently drive a 250hp sc400 and before that my daily was a 240hp s2000 ap2. i know what i like and don't need someone else telling me what i like.

btw don't you drive a 2000 celica gt-s? am i missing something or are there upgrades under the hood?

[mhj555]

Originally Posted by youngxlos

if you are going to go with a different block why not just build the block that came with the car? seems dumb to me to go and find a different block to handle the boost when you can just build what you already have.


have you ever driven a car with over 200hp? once you get a taste of that power you always want more and more....

No, what I mean is maybe the FA20 is already built to handle high boost and high compression, since subaru already makes a turbodiesel block and knows how to do it. Not advocating changing blocks at all. We won't know till someone pulls the heads off of course.

[Syldrin]

12.5:1 is not built for high boost. it screams detination.

[KaliKev]

Wow excellent news!

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by youngxlos

if you are going to go with a different block why not just build the block that came with the car? seems dumb to me to go and find a different block to handle the boost when you can just build what you already have.

Not all engines are built with equality. Going for a more suitable block for big power is essential when searching for more power. Not many small displacement engines not built for forced induction can withstand aftermarket support. Especially an engine that has not yet hit the market or a engine that has only seen less than a 5 year life span.

In regards to the FA20. Its pretty clear that there are going to be some challenges for tuners wanting upwards of 350hp+. Which makes sourcing a block that can easily achieve those power goals more cost effective.

have you ever driven a car with over 200hp? once you get a taste of that power you always want more and more....

I know your post wasnt direct at me, but i want to respond to your post anyway. Iv owned several cars 400hp 300zxTT...350hp S14, 250hp rx7, and honestly im more and more wanting less power.

Im not sure it comes with age, but once you have a taste of power the feeling becomes so adolescent, and eventually you want more precision. (well thats what iv witnessed among my peers and myself) So you either opt for
a supercar that has both power and precision but at a higher cost or you opt for less power and precision for a lower cost. EG Miata

I myself am happy getting 200hp coming from 400hp. As long as the car responds like the wheels itself are an extension of you the driver, like arms and legs.

[youngxlos]

Originally Posted by cyde01

lol i currently drive a 250hp sc400 and before that my daily was a 240hp s2000 ap2. i know what i like and don't need someone else telling me what i like.

btw don't you drive a 2000 celica gt-s? am i missing something or are there upgrades under the hood?

yes fully built engine making 300whp on a GT28RS... and i was just asking not telling you what you should like.

[Syldrin]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

Im not sure it comes with age, but once you have a taste of power the feeling becomes so adolescent, and eventually you want more precision. (well thats what iv witnessed among my peers and myself) So you either opt for
a supercar that has both power and precision but at a higher cost or you opt for less power and precision for a lower cost. EG Miata .

i would say it's taste. my turbo recently took a poo and i am driving a tc with a motor that has 40K miles of hard abuse and boost on it. and to be honest i've been enjoying at the same time i do love the feeling for 350whp.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by cyde01

i prefer n/a and am quite satisfied with 200hp but there are plenty of people here that have been clamoring for more.

+1 Based on the reviews, this car is already fun to drive on the track.

Originally Posted by youngxlos

if you are going to go with a different block why not just build the block that came with the car? seems dumb to me to go and find a different block to handle the boost when you can just build what you already have.


have you ever driven a car with over 200hp? once you get a taste of that power you always want more and more....

I'm all about having more options and a s/c is good means of additional power but it only makes more sense to drive the car first then start modifying later

What good is power w/out control...

[youngxlos]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

Not all engines are built with equality. Going for a more suitable block for big power is essential when searching for more power. Not many small displacement engines not built for forced induction can withstand aftermarket support. Especially an engine that has not yet hit the market or a engine that has only seen less than a 5 year life span.

In regards to the FA20. Its pretty clear that there are going to be some challenges for tuners wanting upwards of 350hp+. Which makes sourcing a block that can easily achieve those power goals more cost effective.



I know your post wasnt direct at me, but i want to respond to your post anyway. Iv owned several cars 400hp 300zxTT...350hp S14, 250hp rx7, and honestly im more and more wanting less power.

Im not sure it comes with age, but once you have a taste of power the feeling becomes so adolescent, and eventually you want more precision. (well thats what iv witnessed among my peers and myself) So you either opt for
a supercar that has both power and precision but at a higher cost or you opt for less power and precision for a lower cost. EG Miata

I myself am happy getting 200hp coming from 400hp. As long as the car responds like the wheels itself are an extension of you the driver, like arms and legs.

i guess my comment came off a bit childish, I'm also steeping down from power, I much rather have a well balanced car that can get me around corners, than a straight line killer.

[youngxlos]

Originally Posted by RRnold

+1 Based on the reviews, this car is already fun to drive on the track.



I'm all about having more options and a s/c is good means of additional power but it only makes more sense to drive the car first then start modifying later

What good is power w/out control...

[Liftcontrol]

In a car as light as the FRS, with what appears to be a very capable chassis based on all the great first reviews by a variety of sources, it would not take much increase in low end torque and hp to really add to the overall performance and goodness of this car.

This car is all about driving fun. More power does not negate that as long as the driving dynamics are not adversely affected. There is no such thing as too much power, me thinks

[DRACHENV6]

50-100hp would be nice when combined with the lowest-weighing model. I understand where you guys are coming from in regards to power not being everything but I think that a SC will only add to the driving experience of the car. I would spend money on a trd supercharger if the quality was there.

It's nice to have the power on tap, while not killing throttle response. IMO 275 hp would be the sweet spot.

[youngxlos]

^^^ i think 275WHP is a nice place to be also, my Celica had a little more but it was FWD, first gear was useless even with 17x9 and 245 Bridgestone Potenza RE760s.
but again i might just be happy with the car stock for a year or two then start add more power.