Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[si]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

I have a turbocharged and a supercharged car... I'm merely stating that the gas is an identical competitor to this as it an on/off booster which is used very situationally and completely different characteristics than a s/c or turbo.

This also falls in the same boat as water/meth. It would be great in addition to a full time f/I system; the same way it's being considered for f1 and BMW. It isn't a replacement. Kinda like how beating off isn't a replacement for actually getting laid.

I've been quietly following this thread with interest and have to hand it to Wonderbar spicing up the discussion

[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by nonicname

how do you put people in the ignorant list? I mean ignore list.

Says the guy who's title says "butt dyno > real dyno"....

Keep slinging insults, you are making yourself so legitimate in the discussion

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

So you're still getting 120-130hp everywhere at 80% throttle except for 100 feet of straight? Sounds perfect for cost/gain....

Other f/I is getting 200whp at 80% and 250+ at wot. (Except for poor innovate)

That's if you can use 200 HP in auto cross which let's be honest you can't. Yes you can use it on the straights but you know nothing about corners if you are on the throttle. Thanks for playing.



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[fenton]

Autocross has almost nothing to do with power.

Road courses are a different animal I think we can all agree.

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[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by fenton

Autocross has almost nothing to do with power.

Road courses are a different animal I think we can all agree.

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I've watched an 800whp GTR run 18 seconds faster than the next fastest car of the day at the Bremerton sports car club autoX events. Same with a heavily power modded 2012 challenger.

Racing is racing, power matters so long the platform and the driver can control it. It's the biggest reason the gt86 gets stepped on in comparisons next to tires.

You start this whole argument about this kit making respectable power but now you state that power doesn't matter in an application this kit would be "perfect for".

And then you just try to make sure I know I'm stupid.

[Wonderbar]

I think this would be pretty neat to run in tandem with my vortech if there was a clutch operated version that only ran in the 1,000-3,000 range.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

Kinda like how beating off isn't a replacement for actually getting laid.

Sure it is,

less talky, less spendy, no kids, less commitment, pretty similar result.

sorta like this product


If it does actually infact do what has been stated/advertised/promised, cost a bit more than a good header and install quick.

well then shit, it should earn spot in the market.

I mean, it won't make these cars a turbo eclipse on nos or anything, but thats all kinda played anyway.

[autobrz]

it doesn't matter how much crap people try to talk about this product, I'm pretty certain it will sell very well...

[Robftss]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

I think this would be pretty neat to run in tandem with my vortech if there was a clutch operated version that only ran in the 1,000-3,000 range.

Yes, sequentially boosting a belt driven supercharger works very well within the FTS's max airflow.

An Eaton M45 supercharged 2.4L Sunfire was tested. It produced 8.5 - 9 psi flat across the rpm range, 1500 to Redline.

www.wildweasel.ca

For the entire test follow links to electric supercharger test.

[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by utekineir

Sure it is,

less talky, less spendy, no kids, less commitment, pretty similar result.

sorta like this product


If it does actually infact do what has been stated/advertised/promised, cost a bit more than a good header and install quick.

well then shit, it should earn spot in the market.

I mean, it won't make these cars a turbo eclipse on nos or anything, but thats all kinda played anyway.

I agree, again, I'm just providing a different perspective on it. I don't see why it shouldn't be a viable option once it is sorted out entirely. The limitations need to be very well known as well as what it is comparable to.

Who has nos on an eclipse? It's 2013. Nos is a shitty energy drink now, is it even still a shitty nitrous kit?

Fact of the matter is, a header and a tune will put a car not too far behind this kit, albeit this kit has a much better bottom end torque but not nearly the top end.

[nonicname]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

I agree, again, I'm just providing a different perspective on it. I don't see why it shouldn't be a viable option once it is sorted out entirely. The limitations need to be very well known as well as what it is comparable to.

Who has nos on an eclipse? It's 2013. Nos is a shitty energy drink now, is it even still a shitty nitrous kit?

Fact of the matter is, a header and a tune will put a car not too far behind this kit, albeit this kit has a much better bottom end torque but not nearly the top end.

"The idea of this project is to give the FRS or BRZ a nice increase of torque and power on demand. This is by no means meant to compete with full time FI applications but should provide that nice little bump in power that most people want."

These are the FIRST 2 lines that begun the thread. I understand how stupid and threatened you must feel after paying $5k for an extremely overpriced fan with a pulley that has the possibility to be matched by a kit that's a 1/3 of the price you paid.

A lot of people who buy this car really work for it and don't have a lot of money to throw around on $5k FI kits. it has been proven over and over again that this simple kit will make the car A LOT faster than stock for little money.

I'm glad you have money to throw around which obviously makes the opposite of the target market for this kit. you are so proud of your $5k vortech kit when I can pay $500 for stage 1 on my GTI and rape your pathetic SC BRZ all day long.

you aren't trying to challenge the kit with reasoning, you are simply being a annoying troll that opposes the idea. keep your subjective immature crap out of here.

[fenton]

So far header tune on 93 gets you 185hp. Add full exhaust and e85 and the most that has been seen is 203hp after a good 3000 in na mods. Don't even mention area under the curve with those though. Peak of 160 torque and bottom end is still relatively weak.

Anyways thanks everyone for the discussion back and forth let's try to keep this track for a while

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[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by nonicname

"The idea of this project is to give the FRS or BRZ a nice increase of torque and power on demand. This is by no means meant to compete with full time FI applications but should provide that nice little bump in power that most people want."

These are the FIRST 2 lines that begun the thread. I understand how stupid and threatened you must feel after paying $5k for an extremely overpriced fan with a pulley that has the possibility to be matched by a kit that's a 1/3 of the price you paid.

A lot of people who buy this car really work for it and don't have a lot of money to throw around on $5k FI kits. it has been proven over and over again that this simple kit will make the car A LOT faster than stock for little money.

I'm glad you have money to throw around which obviously makes the opposite of the target market for this kit. you are so proud of your $5k vortech kit when I can pay $500 for stage 1 on my GTI and rape your pathetic SC BRZ all day long.

you aren't trying to challenge the kit with reasoning, you are simply being a annoying troll that opposes the idea. keep your subjective immature crap out of here.

Exaggerate much? Instead of letting your emotions control your keyboard you should pay heed to those first two lines at the beginning of the thread. This little e-charger appears very promising for those who can't afford real FI but is no where close to competing with traditional super and turbo chargers. Neither will a stage 1 GTI "rape" or even keep up with a SC BRZ. You may have missed it but a Vortech SC BRZ recently ran the 1/4 mile in 13.1s @ 111mph.


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[Danh818]

Guys, can we please all stop squabbling and being ****s to each other. It does no good to perpetuate negativity here. It's my opinion than @Wonderbar started off as a troll, but now I see that he simply has a different point if view and use case in mind than many of us.
I think that it is only reasonable to ask that everyone read at least a majority of this thread before posting, and if your opinion differs, then so be it. Lets DISCUSS it rather than brow beat each other.