Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[Target70]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

I can answer a lot of this:

1) new compressor wheel. It is lighter. I don't think this can be a self install as it needs to be balanced.

2) the new 3.5 mm jacks make it easier for rob to replace parts.

3) drag reduction: gone

Partial boost: 60% pedal full: 85% - 95%

4) I'm assuming the motor controller was updated to handle the new speeds.

5) dumps: better performance and can handle more amperage. By better I mean they warm up faster.

Starter: it's an odyssey

I got new wires.

Thanks for the info

1) I would think that the wheel could be balanced by itself, and not need to be balanced on the motor shaft, as the motor should already be balanced, but I am frequently wrong, so I look forward to something official. Out of all the new upgrades this is the one I am most likely to buy. However the motor controller may need to be adjusted to compensate for the new wheel, primarily the motor brake. Lighter wheel means spools quicker and breaks quicker, but if it slows too quick it might starve the engine.

2) could also be useful if you need to loan the car to anyone/vallet, just mount the voltmeter/switch on velcro, and unplug and take it with you and the system can't be armed. The car can still be driven fast, just not Phantom fast.

3) yeah, that's what I expected. probably just converted the DR circuit to run higher speed, still pulse controlled, and triggered via the switch instead of the vacuum switch. I highly doubt there is an upgrade path, as every major component will be replaced, and the older stuff will be obsolete and unwanted aka all the new kits will come with the upgrades so who would want the old stuff? I hate to be the one to say the sky is falling but these sound like all new kits, this is what we get for being on the cutting edge of innovation.

4) motor controller had to be modified for the second switch position if nothing else, no more vacuum sensor. I saw you had a plug over the nipple so no more nipple threaded into the intake pipe.. I guess you could use it for a manual boost gauge

5) I don't think anyone would need to buy anything (besides an odyssey battery post and screws) to upgrade to alternative dump setup. The dump 1.5 harness is just the 1.0 harness with 2 smaller wires soldered on, and I'll be willing to bet that the new harness you were sent is just the original 1.0 harness, that is still sold on the base kits.

I guess I'll just have to sit back and see how this develops, Even if the new compressor wheel is available, and doesn't require any controller mods, the cost probably won't be worth it. I think I/we would be better off taking the hit of selling our current kits, and just buy the new kit, vs spending $$$ upgrading our current kits and ending up with a lot of useless parts.. IMO

[DAEMANO]

@Target70


Youre a knowledgeable guy, and a terrific owner. Still, please try to hold off on the negative speculation. Rob was doing something nice to release teaser information in advance of the official release, don't make him regret it.

[Target70]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

@Target70

Youre a knowledgeable guy, and a terrific owner. Still, please try to hold off on the negative speculation. Rob was doing something nice to release teaser information in advance of the official release, don't make him regret it.

Sorry if I am ruffling any feathers here, but being that the cat was offically let out of the bag by Rob(lighter wheel, software upgrade, multi stage boost + stats) and Sojhinn seems to have been cleared to reveal what he has (no more DR/vacuum sensor, hardware changes). I don't understand the sensitivity to discussion and/or speculation about it. If I am asking questions about some things that are still under wraps, just tell me it it's a secret. I don't remember pestering anyone for info about any other teased changes. As for my negative speculation, I'll just back up my conclusions with previous posts of Robs when discussing the possible upgrade path to the TQ300:

Originally Posted by Robftss

- ~ 6 months away
- Only made one, but it does finally provide a stable & repeatable 5500 Watts.

Myself, I too have done many FI/NA/track prepped builds.... I don't recall any 'up sizing' hardware being 'exchangeable'?

In this case/development each step didn't exist before. No crystal ball here.

Cheers!

Once again I am sorry If I cause anyone to regret anything, but I am just trying to understand and ferret out useful information for current and potential owners, but as I said, with the information provided, I can't do anything more than sit back and see how it develops.

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by Target70

Sorry if I am ruffling any feathers here, but being that the cat was offically let out of the bag by Rob(lighter wheel, software upgrade, multi stage boost + stats) and Sojhinn seems to have been cleared to reveal what he has (no more DR/vacuum sensor, hardware changes). I don't understand the sensitivity to discussion and/or speculation about it. If I am asking questions about some things that are still under wraps, just tell me it it's a secret. I don't remember pestering anyone for info about any other teased changes. As for my negative speculation, I'll just back up my conclusions with previous posts of Robs when discussing the possible upgrade path to the TQ300:



Once again I am sorry If I cause anyone to regret anything, but I am just trying to understand and ferret out useful information for current and potential owners, but as I said, with the information provided, I can't do anything more than sit back and see how it develops.

I didn't see your post as a regret or anything. I'm excited to see this system get upgraded and I'm excited to see how far it's come. A lot of people release things and cash in. Rob has continually upgraded almost every component in this system. Do I regret being an early adopter? Hell no. I'm still way under the costs of a traditional FI with none of the headaches.

Just ask @nlowell

[Sojhinn]

On a side note I think the odyssey battery starts better than the stock car battery.

[Sojhinn]

Also for those of you who want to know the upgrade process:

Disconnect and send your compressor and controller to rob.

Rob upgrades and swaps out what is needed.

Takes about 1 week to 1.5 weeks.

He sends it back to you and voila you are upgraded.

As for the batteries that is up to you. If you are already on the 1.5 pack... performance wise it's going to be the same. Except with partial boost and faster spool up. Save yourself the money and keep your batteries that you have. (Meaning the 1.5 pack runs like the new dump pack)

If you are having starting issues maybe ask rob for the odyssey setup.

As for the cost I paid for the upgrade... It's well worth it. The spool up time is insanely fast. Which makes the upgrade worth it alone. But the partial boost and all the little tweaks just make everything so much sweeter.

I'll post a log here in a few minutes. Just did a 20 minute drive.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Target70

Sorry if I am ruffling any feathers here, but being that the cat was offically let out of the bag by Rob(lighter wheel, software upgrade, multi stage boost + stats) and Sojhinn seems to have been cleared to reveal what he has (no more DR/vacuum sensor, hardware changes). I don't understand the sensitivity to discussion and/or speculation about it. If I am asking questions about some things that are still under wraps, just tell me it it's a secret. I don't remember pestering anyone for info about any other teased changes. As for my negative speculation, I'll just back up my conclusions with previous posts of Robs when discussing the possible upgrade path to the TQ300:

Once again I am sorry If I cause anyone to regret anything, but I am just trying to understand and ferret out useful information for current and potential owners, but as I said, with the information provided, I can't do anything more than sit back and see how it develops.

No worries man, like I said, I really enjoy your posts. I just thought it was a tad early to be speculating about people getting left behind. In the same quote by Rob he also said "No crystal ball here". I totally get your meaning on the TQ300, the issues revolving around that were related to power. This is an upgrade to the TQ250 which won't have those same issues and thus is upgradeable.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Also for those of you who want to know the upgrade process:

Disconnect and send your compressor and controller to rob.

Rob upgrades and swaps out what is needed.

Takes about 1 week to 1.5 weeks.

He sends it back to you and voila you are upgraded.

As for the batteries that is up to you. If you are already on the 1.5 pack... performance wise it's going to be the same. Except with partial boost and faster spool up. Save yourself the money and keep your batteries that you have. (Meaning the 1.5 pack runs like the new dump pack)

If you are having starting issues maybe ask rob for the odyssey setup.

As for the cost I paid for the upgrade... It's well worth it. The spool up time is insanely fast. Which makes the upgrade worth it alone. But the partial boost and all the little tweaks just make everything so much sweeter.

I'll post a log here in a few minutes. Just did a 20 minute drive.

Thanks for being so on top of things man. Can't wait for the logs.

[Bu-Tang]

Fenton will be way better at this lol

My impressions with the upgrades/latest revisions: strictly based on changes felt by driving experience.

The spool and response is as smooth as its ever been, I can engage at any point of the RPM range and the transition is seamless.

The partial boost is awesome, forget DR, this is the solution. It compliments daily driving to tee. Took me a while to memorize the engagement point but I use this feature on pretty much every drive even in low limit zones as well as merging.

The new batteries in terms in setup and installation will makes things much smoother and less time, performance wise what I really like is I don't ever feel the need to "warm up the batteries"/ prime them. The boost is strong from the second the engine hits operating temp unlike before where you really had to hit boost a few times and if you have the half dumps you really gotta drain and charge them before you felt they were ready to go.

The kit really feels one with the car after these lasted revisions, those are my opinions.

Cheers

[fenton]

Partial throttle boost update:

First off ill start with what is required to run this setup. To run partial boost you need a software update to the controller, new activation switch and a new harness from the switch to the controller. The software upgrade has to be done by Rob, i'm not sure how he will go about packaging this out to existing users if there is interest for it.

Personally I loved the on off nature of the standard system, DR was just the icing on the cake.

The partial boost is the natural evolution of the phantom system, it is not considered a Rev2 or stage2 system. Once fully installed the partial boost system lets the user configure between 0 and 2psi of boost at 70% throttle. Once the user pushes past 75% and reaches the standard 90% throttle the full 5psi is available.

After many tweaks and alterations we found setting the partial boost activation at 72 to 75% is the perfect activation point for a little more go. In testing the natural NA power of the car runs out at about 65 to 70% physical throttle...by setting the boost to come on just after this we found it gave a very natural feel of more power being available.

For my testing i had my partial throttle boost set to about 1.7psi...This would result in 1.7psi at 3000 to 4500 and just over 0 psi at redline.....It gave a VERY nice boost in torque down low and basically maintained like stock performance at redline. The key here again is you very rarely hold 75% throttle all the way to redline, it just isnt natural....i found that I would use partial boost until about 5000rpm in daily driving and then would go WOT to redline if more power was still required to make a pass.

In my opinion for people that love reving out to redline and having fun with the car on a daily basis the standard DR/WOT activation is more than sufficient. For those that dont like going WOT as much the new partial boost may be a very welcomed upgrade.

Setting partial boost any higher than about 1.7 psi resulted in a less smooth experience as too much torque would be added on the transition to boost. For those that want a nice push on partial throttle 1 to 1.7psi will be perfect....my butt dyno guesses that the 1.7PSI of non parasitic boost is resulting in about 30 or so torque over the standard cars powerband.

On to the batteries:

Anyone already running the 1.5dump does not have to worry about upgrading to the new batteries...the performance is almost identical, the added benefit being that the wiring is alot simpler and people in the future will have a much harder time making a mistake when hooking up the system.

The new batteries are alot more money of course but you also don't have to buy the 1.5 conversion so it basically balances out.

In talking with Rob i think there will be more kits available in January.... I will work on the list and once Rob is ready i will announce who is in for the next batch.

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by fenton

Partial throttle boost update:





On to the batteries:



Anyone already running the 1.5dump does not have to worry about upgrading to the new batteries...the performance is almost identical, the added benefit being that the wiring is alot simpler and people in the future will have a much harder time making a mistake when hooking up the system.



The new batteries are alot more money of course but you also don't have to buy the 1.5 conversion so it basically balances out.



In talking with Rob i think there will be more kits available in January.... I will work on the list and once Rob is ready i will announce who is in for the next batch.

Working with the new batteries is a helluva a lot better. All the terminals are on top. Makes it simple to install and everything is now done in the engine bay.

[Sojhinn]

Log:

http://www.datazap.me/u/sojhinn/esc-20-partial-boost

[GerryL]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Also for those of you who want to know the upgrade process:

Disconnect and send your compressor and controller to rob.

Rob upgrades and swaps out what is needed.

Takes about 1 week to 1.5 weeks.

He sends it back to you and voila you are upgraded.

As for the batteries that is up to you. If you are already on the 1.5 pack... performance wise it's going to be the same. Except with partial boost and faster spool up. Save yourself the money and keep your batteries that you have. (Meaning the 1.5 pack runs like the new dump pack)

If you are having starting issues maybe ask rob for the odyssey setup.

As for the cost I paid for the upgrade... It's well worth it. The spool up time is insanely fast. Which makes the upgrade worth it alone. But the partial boost and all the little tweaks just make everything so much sweeter.

I'll post a log here in a few minutes. Just did a 20 minute drive.

Is an upgrade in the OFT engine management programming required as well?

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by GerryL

Is an upgrade in the OFT engine management programming required as well?

I think you mean a modified ECU tune?