Got a track related question? I'll try to answer.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by LOLS2K

When I look at the "Got a track related question?" link, and the last post is by CSG Mike

Hey @CSGMIKE, can you give your opinion on aero? Specifically splitter/diffuser combos such as the Velox pieces, also Voltex rear wings. The when, what, why, and how?

That's way, way too broad of a question

Find me at the track and we can discuss in more detail as it specifically applies to you, your car/setup, and driving style/experience.

[LOLS2K]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That's way, way too broad of a question

Find me at the track and we can discuss in more detail as it specifically applies to you, your car/setup, and driving style/experience.

Sounds good. Your reply actually answered more than some may think.

[EAGLE5]

I prefer hanging all four of my tires off the track as I slide backwards into the mud. But that's just me. Thank you, Laguna Seca Turn 4.

[Icanfaptothis86]

CSG_Michelangelo - What are your thoughts on driving sims and the contributions they can make to your actual on track driving abilities? Do you use a sim at all or do you think I am a choadless loaner for having one ?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Icanfaptothis86

CSG_Michelangelo - What are your thoughts on driving sims and the contributions they can make to your actual on track driving abilities? Do you use a sim at all or do you think I am a choadless loaner for having one ?

I don't use sims because I don't personally have the budget for one, nor have regular access to them.

Sims absolutely work. They can teach you proper (and sometimes improper) habits, and can teach you the tracks. Pilots and Astronauts use sims; why shouldn't drivers?

I've coached some GT Academy drivers, and they learn spectacularly quickly, and they effectively have a lot of "sim" time. One of the guys had never actually set foot on track before my first day with him; he was 100% GT learned.

[MaximeT]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I don't use sims because I don't personally have the budget for one, nor have regular access to them.

Sims absolutely work. They can teach you proper (and sometimes improper) habits, and can teach you the tracks. Pilots and Astronauts use sims; why shouldn't drivers?

I've coached some GT Academy drivers, and they learn spectacularly quickly, and they effectively have a lot of "sim" time. One of the guys had never actually set foot on track before my first day with him; he was 100% GT learned.

And GT is an arcade game
They would be even better with an actual sim like iRacing.

I learned everything with sims. I have teammates with the exact same level than me (in sim or karting for example) that won national championship IRL after learning only with sims.

The most difficult part for a simracer is usually rev matching and motion sickness.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by MaximeT

And GT is an arcade game
They would be even better with an actual sim like iRacing.

I learned everything with sims. I have teammates with the exact same level than me (in sim or karting for example) that won national championship IRL after learning only with sims.

The most difficult part for a simracer is usually rev matching and motion sickness.

The problem with GT, IMO, is that it is very easy to learn bad habits. If you do it "right", it will react how it should, but you can very easily game the system and take advantage of the physics and AI, and learn to do things "wrong" too.

However, the "right" way will ultimately be fastest.

[MaximeT]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The problem with GT, IMO, is that it is very easy to learn bad habits. If you do it "right", it will react how it should, but you can very easily game the system and take advantage of the physics and AI, and learn to do things "wrong" too.

However, the "right" way will ultimately be fastest.

We call that cheating physics. You'll get close to it too with the best sims. That's why I stopped racing and only train now. Or race fixed setup series.

You got so much time to learn the car that you can practice extremely hard to drive setups. They will make you spend a lot of time at the tire physics limit. At the transition between grip and drift.
At some point you'll spend all the time on the physics inaccuracy because it's faster. The car setup will help you spending time there. It will not feel real anymore.

But to reach this point, you will have to be an international level simracer. You would already have learned a lot for track days.

[Icanfaptothis86]

I find the sims really weird bc I will be really fast around a track like the Nurburgring Nordshleife or Watkins Glen, but then really struggle late apexing at Spa and Zolder. Just weird to me that my skills arent transferable across tracks. Im still kinda n00bish tho

[DocWalt]

Originally Posted by MaximeT

We call that cheating physics. You'll get close to it too with the best sims. That's why I stopped racing and only train now. Or race fixed setup series.

You got so much time to learn the car that you can practice extremely hard to drive setups. They will make you spend a lot of time at the tire physics limit. At the transition between grip and drift.
At some point you'll spend all the time on the physics inaccuracy because it's faster. The car setup will help you spending time there. It will not feel real anymore.

But to reach this point, you will have to be an international level simracer. You would already have learned a lot for track days.

It's interesting you say that specifically because I find myself wanting to race more and practice less. I find that racing is a more realistic challenge because it forces you off the ideal line, not to mention the challenge of looking beyond/through cars for reference points, as well as using more of your mental capacity for managing things like checking mirrors, etc. which is much more of a preparation for real world track time.

That said, training alone in a sim is definitely still a good tool for pushing the limits and figuring out the ideal line. Training is also great for learning to try new things but it can teach bad habits too. For me I really need to look through corners more and keep my eyes up... a bad habit learned from racing with a simulator on a tiny PC monitor.

Sims are definitely a great tool if used appropriately

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Icanfaptothis86

I find the sims really weird bc I will be really fast around a track like the Nurburgring Nordshleife or Watkins Glen, but then really struggle late apexing at Spa and Zolder. Just weird to me that my skills arent transferable across tracks. Im still kinda n00bish tho

Fear in real life is not the same as just a slap on the wrist in a Sim...

[ScionOfHorus]

Can fuckin confirm. I've been having a bitch of a time getting the confidence in real life to trail brake late or when to stay on throttle. Easy shit in a game though >.>

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[Icanfaptothis86]

It is certainly easy to experiment whether you can take a turn flat out or not in a sim.

[go_a_way1]

Originally Posted by Icanfaptothis86

It is certainly easy to experiment whether you can take a turn flat out or not in a sim.

Haha, how many times have you crashed in a sim? Now imagine if that was a FRS you crashed in real life each time