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Creole · 03-22-2014, 12:43 AM

Glad you stayed safe man.. That sounds like a scary experience. As others have said, in for pics..

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FRS_FIEND · 03-22-2014, 02:16 AM

glad youre alright! also like everyone else im waiting on some pictures, and what FA tells you. I was planning on getting FA when i return home.

DarkCard · 03-22-2014, 01:29 PM

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Rayme · 03-22-2014, 01:35 PM

Wow! Looks like bearing failure which lead to binding. My non-professional observation.

Sounds like a lack of maintenance / poor product design.

DarkCard · 03-22-2014, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayme

Wow! Looks like bearing failure which lead to binding. My non-professional observation.

Sounds like a lack of maintenance / poor product design.

I tried my hardest to keep these bearings clean, trust me. I worked them over a few times

Rayme · 03-22-2014, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkCard

I tried my hardest to keep these bearings clean, trust me. I worked them over a few times

Then I must say poor product design, these bearing looks decades old. I would sounds like these would need a yearly inspection and tons of bearing grease to keep them happy. Check your other coilovers, this is quite alarming.

DarkCard · 03-22-2014, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayme

Then I must say poor product design, these bearing looks decades old. I would sounds like these would need a yearly inspection and tons of bearing grease to keep them happy. Check your other coilovers, this is quite alarming.

They have sealed bearings now I believe.. this wasnt offered when I purchased them. Both front coilovers are being sent out for inspection and new bearings. I'll see what they cover as far as cost

xwd · 03-22-2014, 01:47 PM

Did they come completely assembled?

I think FA generally only recommends using those bearings on a race vehicle and not one exposed to the elements. They have a different radial bearing mount which is sealed, not sure how long that's been the case.

DarkCard · 03-22-2014, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwx

Did they come completely assembled?

I think FA generally only recommends using those bearings on a race vehicle and not one exposed to the elements. They have a different radial bearing mount which is sealed, not sure how long that's been the case.

Yes they were completely assembled, as I stated in the previous post the ONLY bearings offered when I purchased them were these. The sealed bearings were not out yet. The bearings were recommended to me despite me stating that the car sees weather

suaveflooder · 03-22-2014, 02:17 PM

Dang! That's pretty crazy! I've never seen that before

Shankenstein · 03-22-2014, 03:18 PM

For reference, every component that goes into an "exposed" location of a General Motors vehicle undergoes "Salt Exposure" testing. This involves 20+ days of heat, humidity, and a daily spray of salt solution. If any red rust is present, the component fails.

The goal of this and other testing is to mimic the wear observed in "durability vehicles" that have been driven 100,000 miles in the worst conditions.

Does Fortune Auto have a quality assurance procedure to prove out parts before using them? I would think that their operation is "mass production" enough to require it.

Joakim3 · 03-22-2014, 03:49 PM

I can definitely say no strut should ever shear like that even at it's weakest point (the strut to camber plate attachment). That has to be a manufacturing or arguably a material defect, seeing it should bend rather than snap off.

I can only imagine how damn scary that shit must of been at highway speeds...

Scary shit

fooddude · 03-22-2014, 04:05 PM

Do they still use those "exposed bearings"? ...I believe I read that they use some sort of plastic/poly bearings currently as Standard (ie: when not choosing the optional radial bearing).

In any case...I wonder if it's just a rare occurrence and/or a faulty part (maybe metal quality failure).

I have seen other brands (with a google search) with the same problem - top thread area and nut sheared off on the shaft. It seems like it happens to all brands and is sort of common probability; but, more of a rare type failure. It even happens to "top tier" super high quality and expensive brands - Penske, Tein, Koni and Bilstein...as follows:

The "top tier" brands:
http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-g...hing-else.html

http://www.axiom1.com/racing/2013091...n_Coilover.php

http://forums.240sxone.com/showthread.php?t=9159

http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthr...ded-tip-broken

And some of the cheaper "generic" brands:
http://www.rx8club.com/series-i-whee...et-use-208381/

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2076690

http://g35nyc.com/forums/showthread....e-broken-again

solidONE · 03-22-2014, 06:38 PM

That is not very reassuring... they all have the same point of failure.

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Shankenstein Frosty Carrot Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: The Atomic Carrot Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 513 Thanks: 272 Thanked 431 Times in 199 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	For reference, every component that goes into an "exposed" location of a General Motors vehicle undergoes "Salt Exposure" testing. This involves 20+ days of heat, humidity, and a daily spray of salt solution. If any red rust is present, the component fails. The goal of this and other testing is to mimic the wear observed in "durability vehicles" that have been driven 100,000 miles in the worst conditions. Does Fortune Auto have a quality assurance procedure to prove out parts before using them? I would think that their operation is "mass production" enough to require it. __________________ If you think you're nerd enough, join in the discussions about Suspension and Aerodynamic modelling! Wall of Fame - JDL Auto Design, Raceseng, Vishnu Tuning, Penske Shocks, Nameless, Perrin, RaceComp Engineering, Essex/AP Racing, Verus, RacerX Wall of Shame - aFe Takeda, Wilwood, FA20Club

03-22-2014, 01:47 PM	#36
xwd Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 DGM Subaru BRZ (Subie #9) Location: ATL, US Posts: 2,667 Thanks: 123 Thanked 861 Times in 552 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Did they come completely assembled? I think FA generally only recommends using those bearings on a race vehicle and not one exposed to the elements. They have a different radial bearing mount which is sealed, not sure how long that's been the case.

03-22-2014, 02:17 PM	#38
suaveflooder Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: San Diego Posts: 2,295 Thanks: 2,708 Thanked 1,052 Times in 664 Posts Mentioned: 29 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dang! That's pretty crazy! I've never seen that before

03-22-2014, 03:49 PM	#40
Joakim3 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 04' Saab 9-5 Aero Location: Elkridge, MD Posts: 602 Thanks: 7 Thanked 199 Times in 136 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I can definitely say no strut should ever shear like that even at it's weakest point (the strut to camber plate attachment). That has to be a manufacturing or arguably a material defect, seeing it should bend rather than snap off. I can only imagine how damn scary that shit must of been at highway speeds... Scary shit

03-22-2014, 04:05 PM	#41
fooddude Banned Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 04 Toyota Tacoma Prerunner Reg Cab Location: LA > SF > NYC > OC Posts: 943 Thanks: 556 Thanked 268 Times in 200 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Do they still use those "exposed bearings"? ...I believe I read that they use some sort of plastic/poly bearings currently as Standard (ie: when not choosing the optional radial bearing). In any case...I wonder if it's just a rare occurrence and/or a faulty part (maybe metal quality failure). I have seen other brands (with a google search) with the same problem - top thread area and nut sheared off on the shaft. It seems like it happens to all brands and is sort of common probability; but, more of a rare type failure. It even happens to "top tier" super high quality and expensive brands - Penske, Tein, Koni and Bilstein...as follows: The "top tier" brands: http://www.fitfreak.net/forums/2nd-g...hing-else.html http://www.axiom1.com/racing/2013091...n_Coilover.php http://forums.240sxone.com/showthread.php?t=9159 http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthr...ded-tip-broken And some of the cheaper "generic" brands: http://www.rx8club.com/series-i-whee...et-use-208381/ http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2076690 http://g35nyc.com/forums/showthread....e-broken-again

03-22-2014, 06:38 PM	#42
solidONE Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: FR-S Whiteout Location: California Posts: 2,863 Thanks: 1,808 Thanked 791 Times in 611 Posts Mentioned: 42 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	That is not very reassuring... they all have the same point of failure.

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