Please help! shifting for 2015 frs - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

dray551 · 08-22-2014, 10:52 PM

Hey everyone, so last month i bought a 2015 FRS Manual and i must say i love the car. however this has happened several times to me. When i am braking coming to a red light usually in fourth gear trying to come to a complete stop stop, at around 20 mph i keep the clutch to the floor and attempt to shift into first, however when i try to shift into first it wont let me and i have to FORCE it in and it makes a grinding sound and my whole shifter shakes. this only happens when i am trying to shift into first at a high speed coming to a complete stop. I have my clutch to the floor the whole time im not taking the clutch out at all. Is this a safety feature or is theresomething wrong? thanks everyone

N1rve · 08-22-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dray551

Hey everyone, so last month i bought a 2015 FRS Manual and i must say i love the car. however this has happened several times to me. When i am braking coming to a red light usually in fourth gear trying to come to a complete stop stop, at around 20 mph i keep the clutch to the floor and attempt to shift into first, however when i try to shift into first it wont let me and i have to FORCE it in and it makes a grinding sound and my whole shifter shakes. this only happens when i am trying to shift into first at a high speed coming to a complete stop. I have my clutch to the floor the whole time im not taking the clutch out at all. Is this a safety feature or is theresomething wrong? thanks everyone

If you're coming to a complete stop, why are you going into first so soon? When coming to a complete stop I would clutch in then apply brakes.

Or in your case-- Clutch in, Down to third, clutch out, brakes, clutch in, down to 2nd, clutch out, brakes, clutch in and then fully come to a stoop.

Can you shift into 2nd instead of 1st?

FR-S FI · 08-22-2014, 11:00 PM

I would avoid trying to downshift into 1st while moving, use 2nd if need be and move it into 1st once stopped...

chaoskaze · 08-22-2014, 11:02 PM

1. Don't force it,
2. First gear is usually for dead stop/ below 10 mile only

3. Did you rev match? It's not going in cuz synchro don't like it.

DimSumHero · 08-22-2014, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by N1rve

If you're coming to a complete stop, why are you going into first so soon? When coming to a complete stop I would clutch in then apply brakes.

Or in your case-- Clutch in, Down to third, clutch out, brakes, clutch in, down to 2nd, clutch out, brakes, clutch in and then fully come to a stoop.

Can you shift into 2nd instead of 1st?

Yup shift into 2nd if you are moving at all instead of 1st

stugray · 08-22-2014, 11:37 PM

I was taught to never downshift into 1st and to wait until at a complete stop.

Back then it was because 1st gear did not have any synchros.
I dont know about this trans.

shellslinger · 08-23-2014, 12:07 AM

Whenever I'm coming to a stop and I'm dropping from 20mph and below, I usually like to throw it into second. I usually blip the throttle (around 2.5k rpm) for a smoother transition. Hope this helps.

Jegan_V · 08-23-2014, 12:11 AM

I don't see the need to shift down especially when you're in 4th rather than 6th, you can change down to 2nd but I'd rather just coast in gear. I'd simply slow down and if you're certain to stop, neutral before the engine lugs. If the light changes green before getting to a stop, go to 2nd and be in your way. The only speed I'd ever shift down to 1st is less than 15 km/h or 9 mph to prevent 2nd from lugging likely the reason there isn't a 1st gear lock out.

8R6 · 08-23-2014, 12:24 AM

going to 1st is unnecessary when slowing down. if you HAVE to shift to 1st when slowing down, rev match your rpm to whatever speed you're at and then it should snick in to 1st easily.

jflogerzi · 08-23-2014, 12:26 AM

Don't force it into first. I can only get the car while moving into first between 8-10MPH max. Just coast or use 2nd if you want to stay in gear.

Readytoxplod · 08-23-2014, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dray551

at around 20 mph i keep the clutch to the floor and attempt to shift into first, however when i try to shift into first it wont let me and i have to FORCE it in and it makes a grinding sound and my whole shifter shakes. this only happens when i am trying to shift into first at a high speed coming to a complete stop. is there something wrong?

There is something wrong, just don't "shift into first at a high speed" lol

Cal3000 · 08-23-2014, 02:50 AM

Yeah, Like everyone says, if you are cruising below 12 mph you can safely throw it into 1st. Anything above that will require a double clutch to go into 1st safely.

VacantSky · 08-23-2014, 02:55 AM

Totally agree with all the above posts! Please don't down shift into 1st at 20mph, it's a terrible idea. 1st gear is designed to be a "get you going" gear. Once you're rolling you can immediately transition to 2nd.

And if you are coming to a complete stop, wait until you are stopped before putting it in 1st, if the light turns green and you are still rolling, even at like 3mph, 2nd is the gear for you. Unless you like hauling ass everywhere. If that's the case rev match to first.

I downshift to 1st on slow corners occasionally, like an immediate 90 degree turn. But only if I'm dogging on it, and then I'm heel and toeing to rev match so it doesn't harm the trans.

Turbo95eg6 · 08-23-2014, 03:14 AM

4th to 1st while in motion? Good lord... And you wonder what you're doing wrong.
Is it too late to get an automatic?

08-22-2014, 10:52 PM	#1
dray551 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2015 Scion FR-S Location: USA- NJ Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Please help! shifting for 2015 frs Hey everyone, so last month i bought a 2015 FRS Manual and i must say i love the car. however this has happened several times to me. When i am braking coming to a red light usually in fourth gear trying to come to a complete stop stop, at around 20 mph i keep the clutch to the floor and attempt to shift into first, however when i try to shift into first it wont let me and i have to FORCE it in and it makes a grinding sound and my whole shifter shakes. this only happens when i am trying to shift into first at a high speed coming to a complete stop. I have my clutch to the floor the whole time im not taking the clutch out at all. Is this a safety feature or is theresomething wrong? thanks everyone

08-23-2014, 12:24 AM	#9
8R6 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: FRS Location: SoCal Posts: 2,086 Thanks: 2,738 Thanked 1,338 Times in 746 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	going to 1st is unnecessary when slowing down. if you HAVE to shift to 1st when slowing down, rev match your rpm to whatever speed you're at and then it should snick in to 1st easily. __________________ Team BRG inspire-usa My car build #8R6

08-23-2014, 02:50 AM	#12
Cal3000 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: Panda FR-S Location: Corona, California Posts: 531 Thanks: 297 Thanked 377 Times in 161 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah, Like everyone says, if you are cruising below 12 mph you can safely throw it into 1st. Anything above that will require a double clutch to go into 1st safely. __________________ Vortech SC on 9psi Pulley, Invidia Catless Front Pipe, Invidia N1 Catback Exhaust 242whp/197ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (91 octane water) 284whp/223ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (E85) Delicious Tuning

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chaoskaze The Fail Boat Join Date: Aug 2011 Drives: CWP S.B. Location: LasVegas Posts: 3,028 Thanks: 4,720 Thanked 1,294 Times in 874 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	1. Don't force it, 2. First gear is usually for dead stop/ below 10 mile only 3. Did you rev match? It's not going in cuz synchro don't like it.

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stugray Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2013 GBS BRZ Limited Location: Colorado Posts: 1,925 Thanks: 627 Thanked 1,445 Times in 711 Posts Mentioned: 41 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I was taught to never downshift into 1st and to wait until at a complete stop. Back then it was because 1st gear did not have any synchros. I dont know about this trans.

08-23-2014, 12:07 AM	#7
shellslinger Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: Whiteout FRS Location: DFW, TX Posts: 597 Thanks: 210 Thanked 310 Times in 186 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Whenever I'm coming to a stop and I'm dropping from 20mph and below, I usually like to throw it into second. I usually blip the throttle (around 2.5k rpm) for a smoother transition. Hope this helps.

08-23-2014, 12:11 AM	#8
Jegan_V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2023 Subaru BRZ Location: Toronto Posts: 433 Thanks: 67 Thanked 275 Times in 156 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't see the need to shift down especially when you're in 4th rather than 6th, you can change down to 2nd but I'd rather just coast in gear. I'd simply slow down and if you're certain to stop, neutral before the engine lugs. If the light changes green before getting to a stop, go to 2nd and be in your way. The only speed I'd ever shift down to 1st is less than 15 km/h or 9 mph to prevent 2nd from lugging likely the reason there isn't a 1st gear lock out.

08-23-2014, 02:55 AM	#13
VacantSky The Angry Brit Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 1991 E30 318iS Location: NM Posts: 424 Thanks: 148 Thanked 361 Times in 155 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Totally agree with all the above posts! Please don't down shift into 1st at 20mph, it's a terrible idea. 1st gear is designed to be a "get you going" gear. Once you're rolling you can immediately transition to 2nd. And if you are coming to a complete stop, wait until you are stopped before putting it in 1st, if the light turns green and you are still rolling, even at like 3mph, 2nd is the gear for you. Unless you like hauling ass everywhere. If that's the case rev match to first. I downshift to 1st on slow corners occasionally, like an immediate 90 degree turn. But only if I'm dogging on it, and then I'm heel and toeing to rev match so it doesn't harm the trans.

08-23-2014, 03:14 AM	#14
Turbo95eg6 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: 2014 BRZ SWP LTD Location: The 503 Posts: 2,174 Thanks: 331 Thanked 2,266 Times in 858 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	4th to 1st while in motion? Good lord... And you wonder what you're doing wrong. Is it too late to get an automatic?

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