Toyota mechanic stalling my car....

[aghuman]

So I went in for my first oil change yesterday (As much as I'd like to do them myself, I don't want anything biting me in the ass when it comes to warranty issues, especially down the road in a first gen car). So I was told it would take about an hour and a half so I went outside 45 min later to find my car in the lot looking like something was odd. It was a little far away but I saw it rolling forward when in reverse then heard the engine starting up again, and again, (initially I was a bit stunned cause I was almost certain these guys would know how to drive stick so I didn't want to jump to conclusions). In the end by the time I ran to the car, he had stalled 5 times from what I counted and scary part is it's only what I saw, I don't know how long he'd been there or what happened before. I asked him how many times he stalled and he said once to i told him to gtfo of my car, I reported him to the service manager who fed me this bs that he could stall the car continuously for 8 hours and not do any damage. I got it in writing that he stalled 5 times but I wanted some advice.

First off, how bad is stalling?
Secondly should I pursue this matter further?

Thanks

[chutrain]

I'd be more worried about clutch wear and if they glazed it over.

[Ryuu0u]

I understand where you are coming from but you're also kind of blowing it out of proportion. I stalled the shit out of my car for a bit when I first got it and it still runs fine. From what I've been told you can't really hurt much from stalling at a take off like that. On a second note if the tech didn't know stick then he should have gotten help with the car. Sometimes people should really learn to ask for help to avoid things like this.

[Gixxersixxerman]

It didn't hurt your car

No you shouldn't peruse it further

Your fine, it's normal to be upset as its your car.. But nothing bad happened to it.. I've worked at a lot of garages and dealerships.. I'm surprised he stalled it that much.. Wondering if he just had it in the wrong gear.. Every shop I've worked at the techs had to know how to drive a stick..

[chulooz]

Depends how many times he actually stalled it / how he was driving it before you saw. Youve done good getting it in writing, should you notice any feels/smells of the clutch. And thats because toyota barely has any MT cars left.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by aghuman

So I went in for my first oil change yesterday (As much as I'd like to do them myself, I don't want anything biting me in the ass when it comes to warranty issues, especially down the road in a first gen car). So I was told it would take about an hour and a half so I went outside 45 min later to find my car in the lot looking like something was odd. It was a little far away but I saw it rolling forward when in reverse then heard the engine starting up again, and again, (initially I was a bit stunned cause I was almost certain these guys would know how to drive stick so I didn't want to jump to conclusions). In the end by the time I ran to the car, he had stalled 5 times from what I counted and scary part is it's only what I saw, I don't know how long he'd been there or what happened before. I asked him how many times he stalled and he said once to i told him to gtfo of my car, I reported him to the service manager who fed me this bs that he could stall the car continuously for 8 hours and not do any damage. I got it in writing that he stalled 5 times but I wanted some advice.

First off, how bad is stalling?
Secondly should I pursue this matter further?

Thanks

You're fine.. These cars are not that fragile.. If so.. We are all in trouble..
Next time you will be better off doing it yourself. Keep the proper documentation and sales receipts for parts.. Then no warranty issues to worry about.
Let it go.. Lesson learned and move on.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Depends how many times he actually stalled it / how he was driving it before you saw. Youve done good getting it in writing, should you notice any feels/smells of the clutch. And thats because toyota barely has any MT cars left.

Toyota barely has any MT cars because people in NA don't like driving MT's.

[Whitigir]

Stalling due to in-ability to drive a MT = Worry more about your clutch being burnt. Burning the clutch is always associated to the In-ability to drive MT

Stalling will not do any damage to the car, it is basically the Engine can not turn, the Cams and Crank sensors can not read the Revolution of the engine, the ECU stop Gas and Spark, then your engine Stop. Theoretically, it won't damage your car because every parts of the engine works in syn. The crank stops due to no combustion, then everything else stops at the same engineered position. The only thing that damage your engine is

1/ Mechanical parts are no longer in Syn (Timing belt Skips teeth, bad timing belt, Broken timing belt...and more, but Timing belt is an easier example, and Broken timing Belt = Trashed Engine)

2/ Excessive Input toward the Combustion Chamber (Too much Air, Gas, Spark, Coolant, Oil) Usually These are seen in Bad or Old Engine, or Forced Induction engine without a good Tune.

Those are just some General simple reasons. No need to go in depth

[Wo6M]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Toyota barely has any MT cars because people in NA don't like driving MT's.

Really dude. Toyota has plenty of MT NA....

[campy]

I probably would have asked the manager if there was someone there who knew how to drive manual, since I don't want you driving my car around a tight garage if you don't know how to operate it.

Your car is probably fine though. The clutches they put in these things are pretty resilient. Just bring it to a different dealership next time.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Stalling due to in-ability to drive a MT = Worry more about your clutch being burnt. Burning the clutch is always associated to the In-ability to drive MT

Stalling will not do any damage to the car, it is basically the Engine can not turn, the Cams and Crank sensors can not read the Revolution of the engine, the ECU stop Gas and Spark, then your engine Stop. Theoretically, it won't damage your car because every parts of the engine works in syn. The crank stops due to no combustion, then everything else stops at the same engineered position. The only thing that damage your engine is

1/ Mechanical parts are no longer in Syn (Timing belt Skips teeth, bad timing belt, Broken timing belt...and more, but Timing belt is an easier example, and Broken timing Belt = Trashed Engine)

2/ Excessive Input toward the Combustion Chamber (Too much Air, Gas, Spark, Coolant, Oil) Usually These are seen in Bad or Old Engine, or Forced Induction engine with a good Tune.

Those are just some General simple reasons. No need to go in depth

What? The clutch isn't going to get burnt unless they are slipping it .. And that is the opposite of stalling.. Even that takes a fair amount of abuse to do and certainly not in a confined space in a garage.. Not without being noticed.
And a broken timing belt or chain doesn't mean a trashed engine.. It's by design.. A non-interference engine will not be damaged when the timing belt breaks. And #2 makes no sense at all..

[BlaineWasHere]

It was prob an inexperienced manual driver trying NOT to burn the clutch in your nice FR-S.

Not a big deal.

[aghuman]

Yea I don't think I will pursue this any further. I mean, I was pretty pissed off at the time mainly because you know, how would any of you feel if you saw that happen to your car. Now that I've cooled and done research plus sought out some input I know it probably won't do any big damage (I was mainly concerned about clutch wear) and I did my due diligence by getting it in writing from the dealer in the event something goes wrong in the near future related to that. Thanks for the input fellas

[aghuman]

Originally Posted by Ryuu0u

I understand where you are coming from but you're also kind of blowing it out of proportion. I stalled the shit out of my car for a bit when I first got it and it still runs fine. From what I've been told you can't really hurt much from stalling at a take off like that. On a second note if the tech didn't know stick then he should have gotten help with the car. Sometimes people should really learn to ask for help to avoid things like this.

Yea I didn't mean to sound like I was blowing it out of proportion, I was upset and still am sort of but mainly at the dealership for letting people like this drive it. I mean if he didn't know how to pull out of a lot, how much damage could have been done in the garage if say, he gave too much gas and let off the clutch too soon. I would also feel bad if I didn't report it knowing it could easily happen to the next persons car going in there and no one wants that.