Traction Control & Other Nannies - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Red2Liter · 05-23-2013, 01:44 PM

How are you dealing with the variety of electronic nannies on our cars? I find them very annoying and turn them off for normal driving. If I'm driving in dicey, slippery conditions, I may avail myself of their assistance. As I understand it, they work by deploying brakes to the appropriate wheel as needed. R&T magazine complained about brake wear after a day at the track; while street pads might not be up to snuff for a day of hot laps, one would certainly expect brake wear if the nannies were turned on all day. In dry, normal driving conditions I find them quite annoying. I can feel them engage and disengage in my butt and they tend to mask what's really going on in the rear-end. Even turned off, I found that they were still functioning in slippery winter driving; they just had to reach a higher threshold before kicking in. This is distinct from feeling the limited slip action at the rear. Every limited slip rear-end I've ever driven does announce itself when cornering. The combo of the LS and traction control just sends mixed signals to my posterior.

loam · 05-23-2013, 02:31 PM

When they're off, they are off. You are just feeling the LS.

xjohnx · 05-23-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by loam

When they're off, they are off. You are just feeling the LS.

They are still on when they're "off", unless you do the pedal dance.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25494

so26 · 05-23-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Red2Liter

I find them very annoying and turn them off for normal driving.

Are you Chris Harris?

loam · 05-23-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx

They are still on when they're "off", unless you do the pedal dance.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25494

Well nevermind, obviously I haven't been keeping up as much as I should.

FReSh · 05-23-2013, 03:04 PM

I wish that vsc sport mode would wait just a little bit longer before it kicks in. I haven't messed with full off mode yet.

OrbitalEllipses · 05-23-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FReSh

I wish that vsc sport mode would wait just a little bit longer before it kicks in. I haven't messed with full off mode yet.

Do it in an empty, wet parking lot at night. You'll learn a lot.

FReSh · 05-23-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Do it in an empty, wet parking lot at night. You'll learn a lot.

Yeah, that's my plan. I'm hoping my experience with the dirt car will kick in and it'll be similar.

SmsAlSuwaidi · 05-23-2013, 05:32 PM

The only reason you would need to turn traction off is because you would be pushing the car beyond its street limits.
i do agree the skinny tires tend to lose traction easily but its not to brutal, id only realize it when i see the light flashing.

you can turn it off every now and then for fun, but don't for normal driving

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LeeMaster · 05-23-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Red2Liter

How are you dealing with the variety of electronic nannies on our cars? I find them very annoying and turn them off for normal driving.

Yes

Red2Liter · 05-23-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by so26

Are you Chris Harris?

Nope, Not Chris Harris.

Red2Liter · 05-23-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by loam

When they're off, they are off. You are just feeling the LS.

If you live in the northeast and experiment driving under slippery conditions in a safe environment, you'll find that with the electronics off they still kick in albeit at a higher limit. Not only can you feel them kick in, but the dash lights will flash as well. I'm sure Subaru and Toyota were unwilling to permit a total cancelation of them for liability reasons. The only way to completely defeat them is to pull the fuse and I definitely don't recommend that.

xjohnx · 05-23-2013, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red2Liter

I'm sure Subaru and Toyota were unwilling to permit a total cancelation of them for liability reasons. The only way to completely defeat them is to pull the fuse and I definitely don't recommend that.

check the link i posted above for instructions on the "pedal dance" which will completely disable ALL nannies.

Red2Liter · 05-23-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx

They are still on when they're "off", unless you do the pedal dance.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25494

Thanks! I may explore that under "controlled" conditions.

05-23-2013, 01:44 PM	#1
Red2Liter Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Limited, Red Location: Western New York Posts: 55 Thanks: 2 Thanked 41 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Traction Control & Other Nannies How are you dealing with the variety of electronic nannies on our cars? I find them very annoying and turn them off for normal driving. If I'm driving in dicey, slippery conditions, I may avail myself of their assistance. As I understand it, they work by deploying brakes to the appropriate wheel as needed. R&T magazine complained about brake wear after a day at the track; while street pads might not be up to snuff for a day of hot laps, one would certainly expect brake wear if the nannies were turned on all day. In dry, normal driving conditions I find them quite annoying. I can feel them engage and disengage in my butt and they tend to mask what's really going on in the rear-end. Even turned off, I found that they were still functioning in slippery winter driving; they just had to reach a higher threshold before kicking in. This is distinct from feeling the limited slip action at the rear. Every limited slip rear-end I've ever driven does announce itself when cornering. The combo of the LS and traction control just sends mixed signals to my posterior.

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FReSh Dirt Trackin' Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: '13 Raven FR-S MT Location: Rockville, MD Posts: 294 Thanks: 67 Thanked 114 Times in 75 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I wish that vsc sport mode would wait just a little bit longer before it kicks in. I haven't messed with full off mode yet. __________________ My Car Journal

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