FI for 2017 models? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

gtengr · 11-09-2016, 04:34 PM

Is there a timeline for when turbo/supercharger kits will be available? My understanding is the ecu tuning isn't quite sorted due to ecu revisions.

Amputechture · 11-09-2016, 04:40 PM

Pretty hardware will be compatible with all the existing kits, it's the Calibration ID of the ECU.

Matt@Cosworth · 11-09-2016, 05:06 PM

I'm getting whispers that the 2017 car with its pretty new inlet manifold is different to the previous years so its possible that some SC kits may not fit

hoping to confirm this one way or another soon

CSG Mike · 11-09-2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth

I'm getting whispers that the 2017 car with its pretty new inlet manifold is different to the previous years so its possible that some SC kits may not fit

hoping to confirm this one way or another soon

The red manifold fits on 13-16 engines; its a direct bolt-on.

Matt@Cosworth · 11-10-2016, 03:15 AM

well thats reassuring
thanks for letting me know
has anyone dyno'd the swap to see if there's a difference?

ajc209 · 11-10-2016, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt@Cosworth

well thats reassuring
thanks for letting me know
has anyone dyno'd the swap to see if there's a difference?

Moto east tested it on a pre 2017 car running a big turbo and saw 15-20hp increase

https://www.facebook.com/motoeast/po...07288429318735

gtengr · 11-10-2016, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ajc209

Moto east tested it on a pre 2017 car running a big turbo and saw 15-20hp increase

https://www.facebook.com/motoeast/po...07288429318735

Interesting! I wonder how the centrifugal setups will respond at typical boost pressures. For me the decision is between centrifugal and twin screw.

Xxyion · 11-10-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ajc209

Moto east tested it on a pre 2017 car running a big turbo and saw 15-20hp increase

https://www.facebook.com/motoeast/po...07288429318735

I cant imagine that those are acurate numbers. how does the 2017 only get a 5hp increase...but bolt it on a 16' or lower and you get 15-20? Doesnt make sense imo.

yelsew · 11-10-2016, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Xxyion

I cant imagine that those are acurate numbers. how does the 2017 only get a 5hp increase...but bolt it on a 16' or lower and you get 15-20? Doesnt make sense imo.

This wasn't an NA twin, it was a turbo build, so it isn't the same comparison.

ajc209 · 11-10-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Xxyion

I cant imagine that those are acurate numbers. how does the 2017 only get a 5hp increase...but bolt it on a 16' or lower and you get 15-20? Doesnt make sense imo.

On an N/A car it may only be worth 5hp (or less) but in the link it was a 443hp car with a big turbo! At those power levels, which is much higher airflow than the stock part was designed for, its perfectly reasonable to see 15-20hp IMO

Shinigami301 · 11-10-2016, 01:14 PM

There's an increasing body of evidence indicating that the real 2017 NA power increase is more on the order of 18-20 BHP rather than the claimed 5. More dyno runs will help tell if that's true.

brzaapi · 11-10-2016, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ajc209

On an N/A car it may only be worth 5hp (or less) but in the link it was a 443hp car with a big turbo! At those power levels, which is much higher airflow than the stock part was designed for, its perfectly reasonable to see 15-20hp IMO

This^^^

But to piggy back on that comment. The car has been rated at 205 BHP, but there have been dynos showing that the '17MY actually puts down more than 5 extra HP or TQ to the wheels than the previous years. Is there substantial proof of this, nope, but enough that it is very possible the revised car puts out more than advertised. Of course there are many more reasons for this than just the intake manifold.

ajc209 · 11-10-2016, 01:59 PM

Well the older FA20 was 10-15hp down on the claimed 197hp, so the new engine looks to be actually outputting the rated power now then.

The intake manifold is only part of the changes though, new mapping intake and exhaust header all play a part.

Matt@Cosworth · 11-10-2016, 07:40 PM

agreed
it looks like from the scanty data so far that the tune has been revised on the latest cars to be far less conservative, that coupled with the different manifolds looks to mean they now actually make what is claimed for them
whereas the earlier cars do not

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ajc209 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: GT86 Cosworth Location: UK Posts: 753 Thanks: 361 Thanked 270 Times in 188 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Well the older FA20 was 10-15hp down on the claimed 197hp, so the new engine looks to be actually outputting the rated power now then. The intake manifold is only part of the changes though, new mapping intake and exhaust header all play a part.

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Matt@Cosworth Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Drives: blue - Cosworth SC stage 3.0 Location: Northants - UK Posts: 333 Thanks: 3 Thanked 394 Times in 184 Posts Mentioned: 34 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	agreed it looks like from the scanty data so far that the tune has been revised on the latest cars to be far less conservative, that coupled with the different manifolds looks to mean they now actually make what is claimed for them whereas the earlier cars do not

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