Mercedes A class AMG v BRZ? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Suberman · 09-13-2013, 11:15 AM

Mercedes A class AMG pumps out 355 bhp from a two litre turbo....

Can Subaru do the same?

Next year please?

If Toyota can conspire with BMW why not send a Subaru over to Mercedes?

Vten · 09-13-2013, 11:17 AM

Yes it can , just double the price .

frs10 · 09-13-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vten

Yes it can , just double the price .

this...

akahenry · 09-13-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Suberman

Mercedes A class AMG pumps out 355 bhp from a two litre turbo....

Can Subaru do the same?

Next year please?

If Toyota can conspire with BMW why not send a Subaru over to Mercedes?

You're funny lol. I think I read somewhere that Subaru isn't ever going to do a factory turbo charged version of the BRZ. Plus, if they did, it'd probably be twice the price/ the price would increase dramatically.

InvalidJohnny5 · 09-13-2013, 11:55 AM

But do we really want Mercedes dependability?

gt8613 · 09-13-2013, 12:15 PM

BRZ is a tuner car. You get the forced induction mods on your own. You should be happy they choose that route instead of making a $40k-$50k car.

The FA20 is arguably the best boxer motor to date. Check out Crawford's review.

czar07 · 09-22-2013, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by InvalidJohnny5

But do we really want Mercedes dependability?

Its not like Subaru is doing any better..

DarkSunrise · 09-22-2013, 08:44 AM

In Top Gear's Speed Week issue, they brought along an AMG A45 and didn't like it at all. Understeer, front end soft like "marzipan" on the track, body roll, throttle/turbo lag until 4000 rpm, low redline at 6250 rpm, droney engine, etc.

Sounds like another specs > driving experience car.

GMU-BRZ · 09-22-2013, 11:07 AM

Comparison of the CLA 250 might be more appropriate given the price. It starts at just under $30k, with a well equipped one coming in mid to upper 30s (sport and premium packages). 200hp + 250lb/ft from a 2.0 turbo. But... FWD.

It's not really a drivers car, but it's probably the best looking Mercedes Benz they've sold in years (IMO), offers a much higher standard of interior quality/luxury, and the price point puts it in the conversation with a BRZ Limited.

campy · 09-22-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

In Top Gear's Speed Week issue, they brought along an AMG A45 and didn't like it at all. Understeer, front end soft like "marzipan" on the track, body roll, throttle/turbo lag until 4000 rpm, low redline at 6250 rpm, droney engine, etc.

Sounds like another specs > driving experience car.

But the A class AMG is a 2x better car because it has 2x the horsepower! And it has a Mercedes badge on it!

gt8613 · 09-22-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by campy

But the A class AMG is a 2x better car because it has 2x the horsepower! And it has a Mercedes badge on it!

At 2 or even 3 times the price? No thank you. You can make tge brz a whole lot nicer withat kind of money.

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GT86meMR2 · 09-22-2013, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gt8613

At 2 or even 3 times the price? No thank you. You can make tge brz a whole lot nicer withat kind of money.

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I think he was being sarcastic, well i hope... :p

Dephective · 09-22-2013, 06:34 PM

Lol not even touching interior luxuries, the engineering for an OEM to put out a 2.0L 355HP motor would translate to another 10K alone. Forged internals, larger turbo (you can put a larger turbo out of the box on a BRZ and make that power with fueling; larger turbos spool slow, making the torque band much less harsh on internals while having high peak power)

Dad has a CLS550... while it's certainly got all the Mercedes flair, it's not exactly the best of quality, and that's coming in at $90k. I drove it for a month while my last car was getting body work, and I would much rather go with Audi. He also got in an accident and it took Mercedez 8 months to fix it. Their excuse was parts availability from Germany.

Sure you could get an A series, if all it took to put a smile on your face every day was to put your foot down and go moderately fast in a straight line. You could just get a Mustang and have the added ability to go sideways at least. Don't compare 2 completely different classes of car and try to have a legitimate discussion. "hmm, idk which I should get, the Bently or the Prius...".

fatoni · 09-22-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dephective

Lol not even touching interior luxuries, the engineering for an OEM to put out a 2.0L 355HP motor would translate to another 10K alone. Forged internals, larger turbo (you can put a larger turbo out of the box on a BRZ and make that power with fueling; larger turbos spool slow, making the torque band much less harsh on internals while having high peak power)

Dad has a CLS550... while it's certainly got all the Mercedes flair, it's not exactly the best of quality, and that's coming in at $90k. I drove it for a month while my last car was getting body work, and I would much rather go with Audi. He also got in an accident and it took Mercedez 8 months to fix it. Their excuse was parts availability from Germany.

Sure you could get an A series, if all it took to put a smile on your face every day was to put your foot down and go moderately fast in a straight line. You could just get a Mustang and have the added ability to go sideways at least. Don't compare 2 completely different classes of car and try to have a legitimate discussion. "hmm, idk which I should get, the Bently or the Prius...".

how does that work? i dont know much about forced induction systems but it seems either wrong or simply not intuitive.

09-13-2013, 11:15 AM	#1
Suberman Banned Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: Subaru BRZ Sport Tech Satin White Location: Calgary, Alberta,Canada Posts: 1,228 Thanks: 147 Thanked 320 Times in 225 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Mercedes A class AMG v BRZ? Mercedes A class AMG pumps out 355 bhp from a two litre turbo.... Can Subaru do the same? Next year please? If Toyota can conspire with BMW why not send a Subaru over to Mercedes?

09-22-2013, 08:44 AM	#8
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,794 Thanks: 2,164 Thanked 4,242 Times in 2,220 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	In Top Gear's Speed Week issue, they brought along an AMG A45 and didn't like it at all. Understeer, front end soft like "marzipan" on the track, body roll, throttle/turbo lag until 4000 rpm, low redline at 6250 rpm, droney engine, etc. Sounds like another specs > driving experience car. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

09-22-2013, 06:34 PM	#13
Dephective Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: '13 Whiteout FRS Location: Bay Area, Florida Posts: 233 Thanks: 110 Thanked 79 Times in 58 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lol not even touching interior luxuries, the engineering for an OEM to put out a 2.0L 355HP motor would translate to another 10K alone. Forged internals, larger turbo (you can put a larger turbo out of the box on a BRZ and make that power with fueling; larger turbos spool slow, making the torque band much less harsh on internals while having high peak power) Dad has a CLS550... while it's certainly got all the Mercedes flair, it's not exactly the best of quality, and that's coming in at $90k. I drove it for a month while my last car was getting body work, and I would much rather go with Audi. He also got in an accident and it took Mercedez 8 months to fix it. Their excuse was parts availability from Germany. Sure you could get an A series, if all it took to put a smile on your face every day was to put your foot down and go moderately fast in a straight line. You could just get a Mustang and have the added ability to go sideways at least. Don't compare 2 completely different classes of car and try to have a legitimate discussion. "hmm, idk which I should get, the Bently or the Prius...". __________________ Previous: '01 Accord-daily '93 Rx7-fire breathing track monster 545hp 397tq 2300lb. '06 Mazdaspeed6 one helluva love-hate relationship

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09-13-2013, 11:17 AM	#2
Vten Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Too heavy Location: Columbus Posts: 788 Thanks: 91 Thanked 288 Times in 186 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yes it can , just double the price .

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gt8613 I dream of BRZ Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: Prospective BRZ owner. Location: Home. Posts: 548 Thanks: 615 Thanked 84 Times in 66 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	BRZ is a tuner car. You get the forced induction mods on your own. You should be happy they choose that route instead of making a $40k-$50k car. The FA20 is arguably the best boxer motor to date. Check out Crawford's review.

09-22-2013, 11:07 AM	#9
GMU-BRZ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru Impreza Sport Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 279 Thanks: 103 Thanked 122 Times in 32 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Comparison of the CLA 250 might be more appropriate given the price. It starts at just under $30k, with a well equipped one coming in mid to upper 30s (sport and premium packages). 200hp + 250lb/ft from a 2.0 turbo. But... FWD. It's not really a drivers car, but it's probably the best looking Mercedes Benz they've sold in years (IMO), offers a much higher standard of interior quality/luxury, and the price point puts it in the conversation with a BRZ Limited.

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