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LS13 · 07-19-2012, 09:01 AM

And to sum everything up

If anyone have access to the entire review please post it here

SUB-FT86 · 07-19-2012, 10:34 AM

I think it won based off of being simple and inexpensive compared to all the others.

FT-86 SpeedFactory · 07-19-2012, 11:04 AM

Great article. Size of the car compared to some of the "supercars" is pretty decent as well. Here is ours next to a California.

Scans of the article are found here: https://docs.google.com/a/ft86speedf...Vnc/edit?pli=1

xyos · 07-20-2012, 12:12 PM

lol'd hard that any person with a brain would pick the frs over any of those cars listed outside of the ford

random · 07-20-2012, 12:22 PM

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lol'd hard that any person with a brain would pick the frs over any of those cars listed outside of the ford

Unless you're being a badge snob, why wouldn't someone pick the Ford Focus ST? This is a cue to offer the same old, bored adage of RWD vs FWD, ad nausuem.

ZDan · 07-20-2012, 01:11 PM

What boring old adage? fwd sucks? It does!

Sall · 07-20-2012, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xyos

lol'd hard that any person with a brain would pick the frs over any of those cars listed outside of the ford

he actually said the exige is the one i want to drive the most .....but the gt86 is the one i can afford...

SUB-FT86 · 07-20-2012, 02:38 PM

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What boring old adage? fwd sucks? It does!

shadoquad · 07-20-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

What boring old adage? fwd sucks? It does!

For probably about 95% of normal driving, there is no appreciable difference. But for the spirited drives, the AutoX, and the track days, the difference is massive.

MVJ1975 · 07-20-2012, 03:01 PM

Bleh. I am so sick of hot hatches. They are freaking everywhere, and how much effort does it take to stick a turbo I4 in a dinky FWD econobox and slap some Brembos on? Wheeeee torque steer into the guardrail. Fun.

I grudgingly respect the Megane RS, but I just can't find myself developing the slightest bit of interest in the newest ForMazHonRenhall SportSpeed VXSTRS.

shadoquad · 07-20-2012, 03:07 PM

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Bleh. I am so sick of hot hatches. They are freaking everywhere, and how much effort does it take to stick a turbo I4 in a dinky FWD econobox and slap some Brembos on? Wheeeee torque steer into the guardrail. Fun.

I grudgingly respect the Megane RS, but I just can't find myself developing the slightest bit of interest in the newest ForMazHonRenhall SportSpeed VXSTRS.

Hot hatches are a compromise. I see nothing wrong with that. Practicality and a little speed. Fun but roomy. Light, good fuel economy. Easier to control in slippery conditions.

It's a sacrifice if you want all that. RWD is just gobs and gobs of impractical fun, and that's what makes it great.

carbonBLUE · 07-20-2012, 03:14 PM

The thing about rwd, I love when the car just barely slips out, amd tucks around a corner, in every corner a fwd cant do this...

MVJ1975 · 07-20-2012, 03:20 PM

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Hot hatches are a compromise. I see nothing wrong with that. Practicality and a little speed. Fun but roomy. Light, good fuel economy. Easier to control in slippery conditions.

It's a sacrifice if you want all that. RWD is just gobs and gobs of impractical fun, and that's what makes it great.

I agree that they're a compromise, and using an existing cheap base makes for inexpensive development.

I'm just tired of them. They were new and neat a while ago, but now every car maker makes one, they all look the same, they all roughly drive the same, and they all roughly cost the same.

fatoni · 07-20-2012, 04:49 PM

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The thing about rwd, I love when the car just barely slips out, amd tucks around a corner, in every corner a fwd cant do this...

Care to elaborate? Have you Ever tracked a fwd car? When entering a corner, I'm usually decelerating and under those conditions I don't see why the nature would change depending on the drive wheels

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I agree that they're a compromise, and using an existing cheap base makes for inexpensive development.

I'm just tired of them. They were new and neat a while ago, but now every car maker makes one, they all look the same, they all roughly drive the same, and they all roughly cost the same.

So you want a car just like the Frs because there are too many cars that are alike?

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