More weight to the case that Subaru will release a factory turbo - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

RAN94A · 11-15-2012, 12:39 AM

As if there wasnt enough already....

A NEW 2.0-litre direct-injection turbo-petrol engine is set to power the flagship XT variant of Subaru’s fourth-generation Forester compact SUV when it hits Australian showrooms early next year.

Documents viewed by GoAuto show two Forester variants powered by the new 177kW unit have been approved for the Australian market, which will make the Forester the second Subaru to receive direct injection after the BRZ coupe co-developed with Toyota.

Full article:
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257AB500138718

QFry · 11-15-2012, 12:43 AM

But its not the second Subaru after the BRZ...it is the third. Look up the JDM Subaru Legacy GT 2.0.

nix · 11-15-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by QFry

But its not the second Subaru after the BRZ...it is the third. Look up the JDM Subaru Legacy GT 2.0.

Second in this market.

QFry · 11-15-2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nix

Second in this market.

Check all! I didnt read the article that way...makes since now. sorry...

Raz555 · 11-15-2012, 01:03 AM

It will be used in next gen wrx/sti, but I still doubt it will make it into a brz/86, but that is just my opinion.

What did interest me in the article was that they are dropping the bonnet air intake on the forester. Hope they don't do it on the new wrx/sti.

Captain Snooze · 11-15-2012, 02:09 AM

It would not make economic sense to develop an engine (FA20 in this case) to fit just one model. The fact that Subaru is bringing out a turbo variant of this engine is not sufficient evidence to say that a turbo BRZ is on the way.

RAN94A · 11-15-2012, 04:01 AM

Eh if demand is there... (hell yea it is) and they have the capability... (clearly they do)... then why wouldnt they do it??

rice_classic · 11-15-2012, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RAN94A

Eh if demand is there... (hell yea it is) and they have the capability... (clearly they do)... then why wouldnt they do it??

Cost and Risk

Cost: Doubtful cost of production will be met with adequate demand to yield an acceptable profit.

Risk: Production of Turbo BRZ would potentially take away from WRX/STI sales or if priced low enough, take away from regular BRZ sales.

It's not just a turbo, other modifications would have to be made to the car as well which will significantly raise the price and at that higher price point do you really want an interior that looks like that? No. So that needs to be updated as well. Now we're looking at a $36k or more BRZ.

From a business standpoint, I can't make the numbers pan out.

RAN94A · 11-15-2012, 04:22 AM

If you're already making the car.... and the motor.... the costs involved to pair the two are paltry to what theyve spent already getting the project up and running.

Yes the car would need upgrades to handle the extra power and yes it would cost more.. does that mean people wouldnt buy it because of the interior? No.. an sti impreza shares much of its interior with the base models and its still been a big hit.

If they were worried about cannibalizing their own sales then they just price it different... say between a wrx and an sti.
but really you're talking two entirely different cars to appeal to different buyers. Hot hatch/small family sedan vs sports coupe.

Almost every review has said it yearned for just a little more power... i cant see them not doing it

Captain Snooze · 11-15-2012, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RAN94A

Almost every review has said it yearned for just a little more power... i cant see them not doing it

Where do you stop? I'm not suggesting that many reviews and people on this forum are wanting more power but I have also read/seen reviews that suggest that the amount of power the car already has is sufficient. It is supposed to be accessible performance; will more power/faster cornering speeds make it more fun?

For me (and maybe a few others) there is more enjoyment in wringing a car out as opposed to having to back off.

G RUSH · 11-15-2012, 06:59 AM

Tada San has said it once and i'll say it again - this is a packaging constraint, no matter what the tuners will have you believe.

The R&D required to get a turbo right on this car for mass production is huge and that's why the manufacturers wont do it.

alan.chalkley · 11-15-2012, 07:27 AM

Before a turbo set up , would it not be best to sort out the N/A problems first?

StuAU · 11-15-2012, 07:33 AM

I think more power will come from a different car. There will be a line up of sports coupes from Toyota, the 86 is the entry model, designed for purity. next something with more nuts priced around 50-70, I'm betting on a new supra being 150k+ monster.

150+ in Australia, what's that - 10k everywhere else in the world?? Damn taxes.

czar07 · 11-15-2012, 08:47 AM

86 is a MID level car in Toyotas vision. Subaru wont make a turbo version because I dont think toyota will let them.

that packaging constraints shit is nonsense.

11-15-2012, 12:39 AM	#1
RAN94A Grand PooBah Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 GT MT Location: Sydney Posts: 424 Thanks: 157 Thanked 225 Times in 113 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	More weight to the case that Subaru will release a factory turbo As if there wasnt enough already.... A NEW 2.0-litre direct-injection turbo-petrol engine is set to power the flagship XT variant of Subaru’s fourth-generation Forester compact SUV when it hits Australian showrooms early next year. Documents viewed by GoAuto show two Forester variants powered by the new 177kW unit have been approved for the Australian market, which will make the Forester the second Subaru to receive direct injection after the BRZ coupe co-developed with Toyota. Full article: http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257AB500138718

11-15-2012, 08:47 AM	#14
czar07 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: '97 RSP JZZ30 GT-T Location: Australia Posts: 612 Thanks: 365 Thanked 192 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	86 is a MID level car in Toyotas vision. Subaru wont make a turbo version because I dont think toyota will let them. that packaging constraints shit is nonsense. __________________ Germans>Japanese>Italians>Americans. Unless its a Corvette.

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11-15-2012, 01:03 AM	#5
Raz555 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 86 GTS & MY11 WRX Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 48 Thanks: 8 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It will be used in next gen wrx/sti, but I still doubt it will make it into a brz/86, but that is just my opinion. What did interest me in the article was that they are dropping the bonnet air intake on the forester. Hope they don't do it on the new wrx/sti.

11-15-2012, 02:09 AM	#6
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,817 Thanks: 4,047 Thanked 9,548 Times in 4,194 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It would not make economic sense to develop an engine (FA20 in this case) to fit just one model. The fact that Subaru is bringing out a turbo variant of this engine is not sufficient evidence to say that a turbo BRZ is on the way.

11-15-2012, 04:01 AM	#7
RAN94A Grand PooBah Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 GT MT Location: Sydney Posts: 424 Thanks: 157 Thanked 225 Times in 113 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Eh if demand is there... (hell yea it is) and they have the capability... (clearly they do)... then why wouldnt they do it??

11-15-2012, 04:22 AM	#9
RAN94A Grand PooBah Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Toyota 86 GT MT Location: Sydney Posts: 424 Thanks: 157 Thanked 225 Times in 113 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you're already making the car.... and the motor.... the costs involved to pair the two are paltry to what theyve spent already getting the project up and running. Yes the car would need upgrades to handle the extra power and yes it would cost more.. does that mean people wouldnt buy it because of the interior? No.. an sti impreza shares much of its interior with the base models and its still been a big hit. If they were worried about cannibalizing their own sales then they just price it different... say between a wrx and an sti. but really you're talking two entirely different cars to appeal to different buyers. Hot hatch/small family sedan vs sports coupe. Almost every review has said it yearned for just a little more power... i cant see them not doing it

11-15-2012, 06:59 AM	#11
G RUSH Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: White MT GTS Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 33 Thanks: 12 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Tada San has said it once and i'll say it again - this is a packaging constraint, no matter what the tuners will have you believe. The R&D required to get a turbo right on this car for mass production is huge and that's why the manufacturers wont do it.

11-15-2012, 07:27 AM	#12
alan.chalkley Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 4wd zooks Location: Sydney / Australia Posts: 495 Thanks: 135 Thanked 167 Times in 108 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Before a turbo set up , would it not be best to sort out the N/A problems first?

11-15-2012, 07:33 AM	#13
StuAU Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 86 GTS Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 32 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I think more power will come from a different car. There will be a line up of sports coupes from Toyota, the 86 is the entry model, designed for purity. next something with more nuts priced around 50-70, I'm betting on a new supra being 150k+ monster. 150+ in Australia, what's that - 10k everywhere else in the world?? Damn taxes.

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