Innovate questions

[Fast_Freddy]

This appears to be the FI solution for me but based on it's initial launch dyno results I have questions and concerns.

First, dyno results show a very significant loss of hp and tq below 2600rpm on both Innovate's 91 octane and sw20kosh's WMI dyno results. Has anyone determined the cause of this?

Second, Innovate's dyno results look like their tune needs a lot of work still. Big hp/tq dip at 4500rpm and spiking that looks like possible knock correction.

Third, since several vendors are selling Innovate tuner kits with their own tune, where are the dyno results for those tunes?

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Second, Innovate's dyno results look like their tune needs a lot of work still. Big hp/tq dip at 4500rpm and spiking that looks like possible knock correction.

Third, since several vendors are selling Innovate tuner kits with their own tune, where are the dyno results for those tunes?

Any dip that you see on my dyno is not felt in the seat. A header will eliminate the remainder of that dip.

The kit was literally just released. Give tuner shops some time to produce the tunes/dyno graphs.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Any dip that you see on my dyno is not felt in the seat. A header will eliminate the remainder of that dip.

The kit was literally just released. Give tuner shops some time to produce the tunes/dyno graphs.

The 4500k dip is less pronounced on your dyno sheet but still there. IIRC the oem header dip occurs closer to 3500rpm. Does FI move it up the rpm scale? I could buy that.

The spiking on Innovate's dyno sheet is enough to cause concern. I suspect it's just a poor tune or maybe a 93 tune running 91 for the first time?

I'm probably just being impatient but I've already waited a year to buy this FRS due mostly to the pathetic oem tq and am anxious to make it into the car that should have been an option. I really didn't want a Genesis Coupe...

BTW, can you talk about who did your tune? I see that FA20Club, Moto-East, Rev-Works and Visconti are all offering Innovate stg 1 tunes but I'd like to know who has been involved in the kit development. TIA

[swift996]

I have the same dip N/A with headers FWIW, basically got rid of the stock dip but introduced a small one around 4.5k. I don't feel it like I did the stock one.

Ultimately there is no silver bullet. I chose to get the innovate kit because it fits my goals. I plan to tweak my setup (adding Water/Meth) and hoping to get ~260whp on 93 octane (w/ header, front pipe, and CAI intake).

If you're expecting 250 or so, I'm sure it will happen, but if you're thinking tuners are going to squeak out 300+, I think it's unlikely without a smaller pulley and E85.

[Gary in NJ]

The kit has only been commercially available for a week. Expect to see independent tuning/dyno results in the next week or so.

The early adopters will flush this thing out in short order. I look forward to the Innovative & Vortech comparisons. Competition is awesome. In the end, we all win.

[jamesm]

dyno's do a very, very bad job of representing how a car actually feels when you drive it, in general. if you're worried, wait til someone local gets one and take a ride before you buy. but in general, if you're wanting <300whp it's either innovate or vortech, >300whp you need to go turbo. that's really all there is to it. do you prefer a twin screw or centrifugal? if the answer is twin screw, <300whp, you've only got one option

as a side note, the 'stock' tune is irrelevant unless you're from the people's republic and need carb approval (which you can't get yet, anyway). the first thing you're going to want to do is get it tuned properly in any case.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

This appears to be the FI solution for me but based on it's initial launch dyno results I have questions and concerns.

First, dyno results show a very significant loss of hp and tq below 2600rpm on both Innovate's 91 octane and sw20kosh's WMI dyno results. Has anyone determined the cause of this?

Second, Innovate's dyno results look like their tune needs a lot of work still. Big hp/tq dip at 4500rpm and spiking that looks like possible knock correction.

Third, since several vendors are selling Innovate tuner kits with their own tune, where are the dyno results for those tunes?

1. I believe this was because the dyno operator did not start the run until after that. Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

2. Its hard to go by Innovate's posted dyno because that was a low end dyno, and they also are still refining the tune and trying to make it CARB compliant.

3. Like others stated, its too early at this time. Moto-East is doing dyno tuning next week.

[swift996]

The good news is there will probably be 4-5 new dynos posted in the next week or so.

[mines13]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

1. I believe this was because the dyno operator did not start the run until after that. Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Yes, you are correct. The pull was started later then the baseline. As is clearly shown in the graph.

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

2. Its hard to go by Innovate's posted dyno because that was a low end dyno, and they also are still refining the tune and trying to make it CARB compliant.

Mentioned in a previous thread, it is not a super beefy pull. We are also still refining the tune. The graph in the other thread utilizes a version of the canned flash that is 3 generations old. The current version, is already significantly better and is much closer to what the canned flash CARB version of the system will actually get.

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

3. Like others stated, its too early at this time. Moto-East is doing dyno tuning next week.

All true, several tuners have kits in hand and in the process of or will shortly be developing and releasing canned flashes for these systems.

[brillo]

Their S/C is too new to pass any kinda judgement yet on performance. Let the tuners work out the tuning kinks before you decide. While I don't think the ultimate power will go up materially, I bet the average power and power band will get smoother and more refined, which is what you care about real world. I would check back in on the product in 3-6 months and I bet you'll be happy with what you see.

[Adeets]

We needed another innovate thread, thank you op for not searching.

[FeaR-S]

Originally Posted by brillo

Their S/C is too new to pass any kinda judgement yet on performance. Let the tuners work out the tuning kinks before you decide. .

[robispec]

We will get to 300 dynojet...whp, I hope with the 65mm pulley