[Impey Barbicane]

Wow, did I touch a nerve here or what?

Originally Posted by ryude

YouTube MR2 vid

History repeating itself?

That's a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. Thanks for the vid.

Originally Posted by Dark

To OP, If you understand the characteristic of your vehicle and how it would response to your steering and throttle, you don't have any problem. Like some fellow members here said, if you don't know how to drive a RWD car with TCS off, leave it on or go buy a FWD.

I'm not worried about my ability to handle it. And that's because I've taken the time to educate and train myself on handling a nimble RWD car. I have no delusions that I'm a driving god, but I do understand how to handle cars like this. Most others (and I don't mean others here, I mean others in the general public) have not.

Originally Posted by Mari0

Why do people have to b*tch about everything... this is turning into a...

I'm not bitching, I'm raising what I feel is a legitimate concern. You're free to disagree with me, of course, but at least add something to the discussion.

Originally Posted by subaruslow

Agreed. Really sick and tired of people who clearly know nothing of driving making posts.

The op doesn't even realize all the comments from mags on suspension tuning are stating the car is very easy to control.

MORONIC, I wish the mods were moderating stupidity?

Easy to control for journalists who make their living driving cars and for the rest of us who give a damn about the finer points of driving. The point you're all missing is that the vast majority of people just don't care. Willful ignorance can kill... And I don't care if they get killed, I care what it will do to my insurance rates and to the people they may hit.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

All vehicles will have a tendency to oversteer under lift throttle conditions near the limits and a PROPERLY setup FWD car will *snap oversteer* with throttle lift near the limit.

For those who can't drive, leave traction control on. Hell there's zero reason not to on the street.

Don't punish everyone because there are poor drivers in the world.

I disagree with your statement that ALL vehicles will oversteer under lift-throttle conditions. See the earlier vid with the Lotus Elan footage if you need an example.

And as for what a PROPERLY set up FWD car will do, I'll disagree with that as well, simply because A) properly for a track is a lot different from properly for the street and B) I don't think there's anything proper about *snap oversteer*. Progressive and predictable beats snap anything every time.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

You've never experienced lift off oversteer have you?

Of course I have. Even on purpose lots of times! But I knew it was coming and what to do about it. I'd argue that this skill is largely absent from the driving population largely because it's not a trait that's found in many cars. People have never had to learn how to handle it.



My problem is not with the car. I'm glad they are building it this way, because I enjoy cars like this. But I also live in the real world, where driver training is pretty much nonexistent and people grossly overestimate their driving skills. Add in the fact that this thing is aimed straight at the drifting crowd who- let's face it- are just asking to wreck, and you have a recipe for disaster. And don't forget, lawyers can smell blood in the water a mile away. The first time somebody gets killed practicing their tofu delivery technique, you can bet Toyota's chassis tuning will go under the microscope.

When that happens, you'll be wishing they'd dialed in a little understeer from the factory.