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Originally Posted by madfast
i love turbos as much as the next guy, but a properly tuned NA engine just FEELS better than a turbo. you just physically cannot get the flat tq curve of a NA engine with a turbo. SC? yes i'd love to see a factory SC kit. Turbo? no, its not that kinda car...
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We have totally different opinions when it comes to what type of engine feels better. N/A engines have never done anything for me. I have friends who are hardcore all motor Mustang and Vette guys pushing out oodles of power and I wouldn't trade one of those for either of my turbocharged cars. The fun factor isn't even comparable. But again, it's entirely your/my opinion. :happy0180:
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Originally Posted by Random_Art
 Driving dynamics are certainly more fun on twisty roads than gobs of power that you can't fully utilize. Bragging about HP figures is mostly for people who enjoy drag racing. But for most of the other forms of performance driving that don't involve going in a straight line, people forget about all the secondary stresses that come with more power. A high horsepower car is generally heavier (unless you have the kind of money for a carbon fiber super car, but if that's the case, why look at the FR-S at all?) due to bigger engines and all the other stuff that comes with it to up the power- turbos, superchargers, bigger radiators. These all add weight. And the faster you go, with all that additional weight, the harder the brakes and tires have to work to slow you down again. This stresses these components more than on a lighter car that's probably not going quite as fast. This additional stress wears the parts out faster, so you're more likely to see brake fade setting in sooner on something like a Mustang than on a Miata. |
What? lol. If you're really that concerned with wearing out parts because of the extra weight a car may have you should probably get a motorcycle. Sure bigger engines weigh more than smaller ones, turbocharged engines weigh more than its N/A version, but...they're more powerful. More power = better lb/hp ratio. I'll take my bone stock RX7 with it's 10.9 lb/hp over a new Miata with it's 14.3 lb/hp ratio any day.
You don't have to spend oodles of money on a carbon fiber super car to have high power output while remaining light weight. My car is almost exactly the same weight right now as it was when it rolled off the show room floor. The only difference being, it has 600whp around town versus the 255 it had new. I promise it is a hell of a lot more fun to drive now, than it was when I first bought it.
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Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes
It's not that we're missing your point, it's that it's a silly way to look for a car you're supposedly interested in. You're looking at HP numbers and price, and nothing else. You're going to be sorely disappointed if you're expecting the FT-86 to compete with the GC or the 370Z in magazine tests - at least in horsepower relevant tests.
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Does this video make sense to you? If not, just go grab another Camaro SS or Mustang GT and be on your way. But take note of how high the MX-5 finished in this comparison (edit: 3rd place, behind the Cayman and R8) against some great competition, and you might begin to understand the potential behind the FT-86, and why a $27k sticker price (not that I think it'll be that high) could be warranted.
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Sorry, but that video doesn't make sense to me. When I think drivers cars I definitely don't think of a 4300# Cadillac or a 4400# Jaguar sedan. Hell I don't even think of a Mustang or Camaro. They're honestly going to test a 135i over an M3? What can the 370Z do that a GTR can't? When
I think of a drivers car, I think of Lotus, GTRs, RX7/8, Evo/STi, Miata and of course Ferrari, Lambo, and Porsche. (I love the Cayman, but how do you not throw in a 911?
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Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes
I think he's just disappointed with the FT-86's projected power figures without taking into acount (or ignoring) the weight and/or its driving dynamics. My Miata has only 115whp, but it's still a lot more fun, and IMO rewarding to drive, than a new Mustang V6. While it certainly isn't as fast, it definitely feels that way. It's difficult to put a number or figure to. This car doesn't need oodles of power to be relevant or competitive at a $27k price point.
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Well maybe, but it needs a hell of a lot more than just saying it's "fun to drive". My mom has fun driving her new 2012 Hyundai Accent.