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Originally Posted by CaptainSlow

This is what I do when I look at a new car:

1) Determine the total cost of ownership of my current car. This means payments, gas, insurance, and basic upkeep figured down to a monthly basis
2) Determine the estimated cost of ownership of the new car.
3) Determine the ROI of the purchase. What do I gain from getting the new car?
4) Determine the potential losses of the purchase. What do I stand to lose?
5) Look holistically at the difference in cost of ownership, the potential gains, and the potential losses and determine if the purchase would be beneficial or unrewarding as a whole

For instance, in the case of the GTO:

1+2) I would stand to potentially save around $0-$40 a month from my current payments/insurance/gas for the GTO with the FR-S (I wouldn't be paying MORE)
3) I gain a car with a warranty, better handling, better MPG, peace of mind knowing Subaru/Toyota makes a decently reliable car that I won't have to worry about blowing up or breaking down (or will be fixed for free if it does w/ warranty), better handling, more "sporty" feel, better looking (IMO), usable cargo space (with the fold-down rear seats), more updated equipment (stability control, blue-tooth hands-free radio, etc), and something I can be proud of owning (never really felt that way with this car)
4) I lose a lot of power/torque, usable rear seats, ease of repair (parts are everywhere and are CHEAP)
5) In the end, I stood to gain more than I stood to lose, so it made sense for me

I'll be doing that soon. But aren't you gonna be missing the power of the GTO?

Originally Posted by draggin_az

your right not everyone is biased but forums are biased

if you go to a colorado forum and say should I get a colorado or frontier they will say a colorado.

if you go to a mustang forum and ask should I get a camero or mustang they'll say get a mustang.

they only say get another car if your upgrading. if you come on here asking should I get a zenvo st1 or FRS everyone will say get the zenvo.

Yeah, yeah, i know. I was just saying.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Depends what you're looking for. The FR-S has been more entertaining for me to drive in autocross and on back roads than any FWD car I've had because of the neutral handling balance, RWD, and limited slip differential.

So it's great for me, but if you aren't going to autocross your car and won't drive on many back roads, it might not be the right car for you. You might be better off going with a car that has more storage space or has more power, etc. Hard to answer your question without knowing what you're looking for honestly.

I'll be eventually auto-crossing it if I ever got one, but not as much as some people. And I'm liking the FR-S a lot because it's a Toyota (I'm a Toyota-fanatic ) and it's RWD.

Originally Posted by FRiSson

Take a look at the Ford Focus ST. It may be the more practical choice.

Originally Posted by jstans84

Get a Fiat 500.
Sent from thousands of years ago into the future.

I'd rather keep my Celica than get those.

Originally Posted by whaap

I've always believed that when in doubt, do nothing. I think you should keep what you got.

That's what I'm really trying to do, but it's so hard lol.

Originally Posted by dori.

I would

a) TEST DRIVE the car, since you won't really know if you like it unless you do
b) since you are so concerned about first year problems, wait a year then get it if you liked it on the test drive

At the least, I will be waiting for the 2014 model. And I'm already talking to a Toyota dealership about it.

Originally Posted by ipothas

In my opinion, test driving the car is a bad decision.

I say this because regardless of your thought process or rationality before hand, the minute you drive the car that goes out the window. You WILL want to buy it after the test drive. It's too hard to get into an amazing car like the 86, drive it, and just walk away. Especially if part of you feels the purchase could be potential.

Think at home, safely away from the dealership

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That's true, once I test drive it, I will be sold on it.

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Do you want RWD or not? It's basically as simple as that.

Why yes, yes I do!

Originally Posted by Eurasianman

If you can afford it and feel comfortable with it, I would say yes. I came from a 2010 Cobalt SS turbocharged. Bit of downgrade in power and versatility, but upgrade in gas mileage and fun factor And cheaper insurance. Car payments stayed about the same as well as now I'm starting back with a brand NEW car payment. I was halfway done with my previous car payment :\ But the reliability of the car was going downhill, therefore, I got the BRZ. No regrets.

Honestly, I would consider that an upgrade. And plus the reliability like you said is a huge plus.

FWD < RWD

Power, you can always fix with a turbo.

Originally Posted by whaap

I think it's: do you need a RWD or not?

Nope, I don't. But that's not stopping me! LOL!

Originally Posted by SilentAngel

I came from a 2004 Celica GT (AT) to the (AT) FR-S. To me there is little comparison between my Celica and the FR-S, The response time from the FR-S transmission is way faster, i was always waiting for the transmission to actually shift down so i could get more power out of the engine to actually pass someone, never rly happened. I gained about 2 sec's 0-60 and i didnt buy the car for that. I love the FR-S, i cant even get into my old celica anymore cause i just hate driving it now, it is now my sisters car lol.

Im not sure the differences between the Celica GT-S and GT or if u have a manual, but the AT transmission is horrid in the celica GT, but i believe it was only about 20hp, so if it handles the same as the GT, there is absolutely no comparison on how the FR-S handles to the Celica's the FR-S is superior in everyway except backseat and storage space lol.

Well, the main differences of a GT and a GT-S is the engine. Then some cosmetics, interior, etc. I think the GT-S was really good for it's time. But then again, your comparing a car's handling/performance that came out in '99 to a car that just came out.

But I still love m Celica, still looks brand new.

Originally Posted by Turbowned

I would personally take a RWD car over a FWD just about any day, so my opinion might be skewed a little. However, consider this:

The FR-S is brand new. Your Celica is 8 years old. Talking about first year problems while driving around an 8-yr-old car is silly! The first year problems are warrantied; you're on your own if the Celica breaks (not that it should; they're obviously reliable). Toyota Care covers the first 2yr/24,000 miles of maintenance, leaving you with just a couple oil changes, tire rotations and an air filter through the remainder of the 3yr/36,000 miles.

Assuming you have less than 100k mi, you should be able to trade it in for around $7k or sell it privately for a bit more. If it's getting close to 100k, I'd trade it in beforehand to avoid the big value drop when it reaches it. If it's already over 100k mi, you're talking around $6k for the car. Ish. I'm referencing NADA trade-in values here.

Fuel mileage is the same between manual FR-S and manual Celica GT-S. That's a wash.

The FR-S will outperform the Celica, slightly. The Celica has about 250lbs on the FR-S, but the FR-S makes 20hp and 21lb/ft more (referencing Edmunds, I thought the 2ZZ made 190 but they say 180?). The rear-drive layout, low CoG, balance and LSD will ensure that the FR-S can at least out-corner the Celica. 0-60 times are very close. (does your Celica have LSD?)

I guess all I can say is drive the car and see if the FR-S feels that much better to you to justify the car payment. Getting a new car when you have a perfectly good one is an impulsive buy no matter how you slice it. You don't need it, you want it. Find out if it's worth it and report back!

Even though my Celica is over 8 years old, it's never gave me 1 major problem. And I just hot 101k miles awhile back. And I wouldn't sell the Celica, it's staying in the family. And I did a KBB not to long ago, it came around 12k.

And I think Japan/Europe had 190hp while the US had 180hp. And nope, my Celica doesn't have LSD.

And second to last sentence says it all, I don't need but I want it.

And I'll report back with test drive hopefully soon! This Toyota dealership over here are always out of FR-S's.

Originally Posted by jimmillion

Just remember - this ain't no total package off the lot, it's a project car thru and thru.

so if you're itching for something to dig your nails into and build up to what you want then get the frs. if you're no longer interested in things like plasti dipping your wheels for the heck of it or sound deadening your cabin then stick to what you have. My buddy isn't interested in doing anything to his next car other then wheels and a wax, which is why he's been searching for an auto Celica now for the past year.... no one wants to give theirs up, even tho they put them up for sale.

I know the FR-S isn't a total package. That's what I really like about it. So I can build it up exactly like how I want it. And I love saying "Built, not bought"

And you should tell your friend to get a 6MT GT-S, he'll be missing out if he gets the auto.

Originally Posted by _hollywood

The gts is decently quick for what it is, and im coming from 12 yrs of stricly fwd honda platforms, and making the switch to rwd was the best thing i ever did. And please get a manual transmission, down shifting into a perfect corner and having the tail come out just a little bit is the greatest feeling ever:happy0180:

I can't wait to make the transition as well. The only RWD vehicle's that I drove is my dad's Tundra and my mom's Previa, which is also supercharged.

My friend had a Mustang, always doing donuts, soooo much fun. And I tried it, not even close to the same feeling. LOL.

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I'd say keep the Celica. New cars are expensive and it's already looking like insurance is going to skyrocket.

Then you can wait for any special editions, like the STI. Even if it doesn't pique your interest, at least supply will be better next year then you can pick exactly what you want off the lot.

I'm still debating to get the car or not, haven't truly decided yet. And yes, I will be waiting for the '14 model at the very least.

Originally Posted by Synack

Hatchbacks suck

How so?


P.S.
Can a Moderator add the poll? I forgot to add one.

2 options:
Keep the Celica.
Get the FR-S!