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Originally Posted by conehead
Only hardcore autox junkies base their car choice on autox classing, and even they can get burned after a single season.
Some drivers can have fun without being competitive, but most want to measure their success and progress through competition and they realize quickly that they would have to change cars to do that so they quit. I've seen this often even with just minor mods. Someone shows up with a great autox car but they just spent a bunch on some mod (usually with little or no performance gain) that throws them into an insane class and they never come back. The performance point system solves this.
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I started as that person with a minor mod that buried me in 2013. I'm still here.
Having fun with your friends and having a competitive class to play in is what matters. Locally we had a "catch-all" class that made it tons of fun. SCCA made the right move with the XS class.
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Originally Posted by timurrrr
I always get amused when I read how to set up an ND Miata to be competitive in CS: huge front bar, long and stiff rear bump stops to effectively increase the spring rate... All those things in a class that's supposed to be "beginner friendly, as little mods as possible".
And then the twins aren't allowed any reasonable way to add front camber in DS.
Or that 10mm issue with the RLCAs on gen2 cars even in STR.
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Having run CS in an ND very competitively... and having driven a LOT of other NDs in CS and helped with setup on many of them.... Bumpstops are $20 each and easy to install. That said, the ND2 bumpstops on stock shocks and a cheap $200 front swaybar has won national events. Front swaybar is a necessity on pretty much every street class car, so calling out the ND for that is pretty disingenuous.
Every street class car besides some SS cars and Corvettes is camber limited. Part of the point of street class is no major mods... Camber is easy on some cars, but on many cars it involves expensive parts.
The rear control arm thing is annoying, but people like a certain asshole from Texas already abuse rules thoroughly and you stack up a ton of small things like that and it's a big advantage.
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Originally Posted by Molez93
We’re probably in agreement on the vast majority of the challenges and reality. However I don’t see a point system as a fix though, because the real issue is many new people grossly overestimate their skill and a “right” to be competitive.
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Having run autocrosses with points systems for mods, it doesn't really fix anything. You just end up with different cars that are competitive, but still clearly one car that people will trend towards because it has an advantage.
On your latter point, 1000% yes. So many novices show up and get frustrated that they sucked and blame everything but their own lack of talent. It's easy to blame the car or the rules...