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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 View Post
Or because of the lack of true government involvement and too much corporate involvement.

Fundamentally, healthcare is an ethical right, so healthcare should be guaranteed, and if the progressive left had their way then healthcare would be paid for through taxation and guaranteed to all, so maybe you are referring more to the corporate, moderate neo-democrats, which are actually center right, and if you are then yes, they are tied to big donors.

Educating people in any way, including trade schools, is just a no brainer. Just like society is improved by having an educated class that knows how to read and write, higher education in trades prepares people for work in technical careers, and we see greater benefits for having a society that has a secondary education. Not only do people make more money, pay more taxes and are more productive, but they are more capable to contribute to society in other ways. We see a correlation with education and participation in the political process like voting or holding a political office. We see a correlation between education and participating in the community. We see a correlation between education and stronger families with more successful and better developed children. We see better family planning. We see an inverse correlation to drug abuse, family abuse, suicide, violence, etc. I could go on. The public investment pays for itself several fold over.

I do find it ironic that every trade job you named is stereotypically male dominated, and interestingly, women are the ones going to college more often. It seems like it use to be 58% men, but now it is 56% women. College educated women actually outnumber college educated men, but regardless, we could teach girls to be a carpenter or plumper just as much as guys. Seems like there are plenty of parents who think college is liberal, brain-washing camp, so they probably encourage their kids to do something else. I’m sure there are a number of parents who worked for a company for years only to be let go and wished they had an education to fall back on in a world where every employee is expendable. Some people can get into trades without experience or education. Some people might need trade schools because employers no longer do much apprenticeships and in house education or investment. Corporations realized a long time ago that it was best to pass the buck to the employee to seek education on their own. It was a tit-for-tat thing because they could provide education only to see the employee leave to work at a competitor, so might as well treat the employee as expendable. Anyways, I digress.

Points are simple: healthcare is an ethical right and educating society is a good investment. I think the government is the beat way to guarantee access to healthcare, and I believe higher education is just as good an investment as k-12.
Saddest part is that other countries have proven that gov't funded healthcare is successful and provides better quality of life. And yet people harp random excuses about how they're different or whatever. But that's exactly the process of deciding if we should do something: test it in a small scale, if it works, scale it up. We know it works in smaller countries and big countries. So scale it up to the US.

True patriots that want to keep the US in the global lead understand that education is critical. If US falls behind in education (which it already has), other countries become the forefront of research (which we are already seeing, ie. Intel US fabs are third rate to Taiwanese TSMC and S. Korean Samsung). That's what leads to technological advantage, which leads to military and economic advantage. All these "patriots" shouting about retaining old tech and not investing into alternative sources of energy and advancing overall tech in the US are literally sabotaging the future of the US.

Side note: I'm still amused how internet isn't a public utility. It's used more as a utility than phones are these days. I've contacted patients over the internet more and more. I use my internet to pay bills and buy goods. All of which was, at one time, what phones provided. I don't know why this came up in my head.
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