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Originally Posted by TSLRich
right... those cars are about the numbers because they are such close competitors... right now there really isn't a competitor to the FR-S/BRZ, but if Nissan (I say Nissan, only because they have the heritage, but it could be anyone) comes out with something that is a competitor... i.e. similar weight, 2+2, 25K ish, and about 225-250 hp.. suddenly the FRS/BRZ is not the only game in town and they'll be forced to compete or lose sales.
I personally think they've had plans for a turbo model all along... there is a lot of room underhood for a top mount
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if that car ever happens (which i doubt it will since i think you are asking for an unreasonable amount of car for such little money), i fail to see how a toyota could compete if they already are at that price point. they cant just give away turbos
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Originally Posted by SVTSHC
This SPECIFIC example is going to be touting the same Hp as the FRS and I mentioned the GTI because the 2012 variant sports the same Hp as the FRS with over 50ft-lbs and it doesn't measure up.
The FWD examples that compare to the FRS have more grunt than the FRS does, call it a compensating factor for having to fight the laws of physics. This is not me saying FWD cars are bad or "wrong wheel drive", there are quite a few FWD cars I wouldn't mind having but unless this mini-Z is lighter than a Miata it's not going to stand up to the twins.
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the gti isnt going to compete because its trying to fill a different market. things like the itr and msp are down on power but still are comparable . im not saying i think this thing is going to be a competitor to the frs, im just saying we shouldnt be judging cars that dont even yet exist