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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0
You do realize the turbo 4 cylinder Z4 starts at $50k, right? The version with the turbo 6 cylinder will start at $65k. Are you saying it isn't fair that the BMW gets 50 more horsepower for only $15k more than what the Supra costs?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ster-30i-m40i/
https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/z4/r...-your-own.html
The wiki post explains the different engine outputs. Probably mostly a tuning thing having to do with different weighted/priced vehicles, or sized turbos, or emissions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B58
It is probably more in the tuning. For example, the 2016 Audi 3.0 Q5 uses a 3.0L V6 with a TVS1320 supercharger making 268hp/295tq; the 2016 Audi SQ5 uses the same engine and the same supercharger, but it makes 349hp/346tq. There are minor differences to the motor like better cooling because of the extra power, but the engines are identical. They get the different numbers from tuning. Not a different compression ratio, different pulley, a bigger blower, nada. Just tuning. BMW probably does the same thing, or there are slight differences like how the Honda Accord 2.0T uses the Civic Type R engine with a smaller turbo for more low end power, and some other small differences. |
Yes... I knew all these things, it wasn’t hard to figure out, it was in the same link I posted. Not rocket science by any means. I don’t think you understand my argument. I don’t give a crap about the BMW’s pricing. My entire argument is the Supra doesn’t make the power it should given its price point, if the same engine is capable of another 47hp that easily, it should be given that 47hp, regardless of what the starting price is of the Z4 I6. I don’t care about that. It’s BMW, it’s going to be overpriced. Nobody is debating that. The debate is why is the Supra lacking power when it’s priced like it should be a 400hp car? If it had the Z4’s power, a lot less people would be complaining. I’m not comparing the Z4 so I honestly don’t understand what possessed you to mention it’s price. That’s irrelevant. The Supra is a $50k car. So is the Corvette and the GT350. My argument all day has been that the Supra needs more power, so if the Z4 is capable of that power with no major engine component changes, why doesn’t the Supra come with the same power, regardless of anything to do with the Z4’s pricing.