[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

You are a bit out of date with this thinking. All season tires have taken a big leap forward in the last few years. The current DWS is an amazingly versatile tire. The predecessor was almost as good.

Actually, the DWS is quite competent in winter, just not on a BRZ. It is entirely feasible to run the DWS as an all weather tire all year. Nokian WR also but they are more oriented to winter capability then summer. Again, I would not put them on a BRZ.

The BRZ is comically incompetent in winter, although I will give it full marks for controllable slides with stability and traction control off. You are not likely to hit any guard rails assuming you know how to hang the tail out in the dry. With full winter tires on of course or you'll get nowhere.

Originally Posted by Gforce

You are out of date about the capabilities of all season tires. Since 2013 at least high performance all season tires are just that, and they work in cold weather also.

The BRZ just isn't very good in snow or on ice but it corners just fine on snow or ice. You just cannot get any power down. It's not the tires, it's the suspension geometry and the Torsen.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And yet again here you go with the bad advice.
There is not an all season tire made that will compete with a proper winter tire. or will work well at any temperature below zero. Sure they are indeed better than they used to be but they are still way below dedicated winter tires (especially with ice).

The FRS is a tank in the snow or ice with proper winter tires. I put 1,000 kilometers a week on my FRS through the worst winter can throw at me and have not had a single incident. Not one. Traction control will save your ass in slippery conditions. Knowing how to hang the tail out in the dry will not help if you are sliding in the ice or snow no matter what you think your skills are.

People PLEASE do not listen to this joker! He will get you killed.

Originally Posted by Gforce

You are mistaken. Tire engineering has moved on a long way since you formed your opinions. Indeed, even four years ago I would have argued as you do today. But you are now just wrong.

This chassis is pathetically incompetent in winter. The fact that you think otherwise confirms you do not know how to drive, in winter or summer. Everybody who knows anything about driving knows that this chassis is incompetent even in the wet, let alone actual snow. Relying on traction or stability control to "save your ass" as you so amusingly put it, reveals that you do not know enough about car control to be expressing such opinions.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8212

As for advocating killing yourself, well, we each have the ultimate responsibility to know our own limits. I know from your posts that I'm a better driver than you'll ever be. But, keep those sandbags in your trunk and do NOT disable your stability control,it might be dangerous ... for you.

Originally Posted by Gforce

Since you asked, like everyone else I drive every winter. To help you with the maths that would be once every year, at least. How weird you came to the same conclusion about the great tire for this car being the Michelin A/S 3, but I thought of them first. It's a pretty obvious choice if you understand the problems with getting ultra high performance summer tires like the Supersports up to temperature on the street.

As for experience with snow tires it would be amusing to compare tire experience. My current snow tires are Sottozero Serie II. What are you struggling by with?

Before you embark on this little ego battle I should warn you I can go a lot further back then you can. So, I've driven on more types of snow tire in more types of conditions than you have. Guaranteed.

After you.....

Originally Posted by Gforce

I think you used the word ego first. That ends that discussion. See above. First use

I never suggested an all season tire could replace a winter tire, you assumed that. You said it over and over and over and over. Then changed your tune

Whether a DWS is going to be a better choice than a winter tire is not a simple question to answer, yet you recommended a winter tire based on seriously out dated information. Winter tires are a very bad choice now for many areas where winter is neither very cold nor very snowy. I repeatedly stated in heavy snow, extreme cold or ice condition. You just chose to ignore it and ramble on.

That ends that discussion neatly. You have never "discussed" anything but simply babbled in random directions.

My views on Superchargers are absolutely correct. Yes. If it was 1973 and you were running a blower on your carb it would be. Since neither apply you are way off base.

My views on the inadequacy of the BRZ chassis are held in common with a significant number of expert drivers. You just choose to ignore them. That takes care of your other point. Once again show us these reports by these "experts". You are not an expert.

Interestingly, we agree that the latest all season tires work well on this chassis. I now suspect you know as well as I do why that is the case. Care to make a straightforward admission about that or did you just buy the wrong tire? I never implied otherwise and have advocated them since before you ever showed up here. They are just not snow tires.

I am now 100% convinced that I have been debating with a 16 year old that lays many claims to automotive knowledge and mad driving skills but has neither. Not one direct question was ever answered other than with "well you just aren't experienced as me" but since playing video games does not count as real driving I am sure that anybody with 2 or more years on the road greatly exceeds any time spent by Gforce.