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Old 08-31-2016, 03:48 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by benlaz88 View Post
Correct me if im wrong on the bleeding. Depress the cluth pedal and hold it. Than open the bleed value to let the fluid out. Than close the valve. Than lift back the pedal up and repeat.
No.

Open

Depress clutch

Close

Release clutch.

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Originally Posted by Tcoat View Post
Or...
Sit in car.
Depress clutch.
Start car.
Put in first gear.
Release clutch until car starts to move.
Grab point found.
When I get back to town I'm going to get a video up to demonstrate my point.

Yes, that will find the grab point. But the friction zone extends well past the grab point. That's why OP can't get the trans in gear.

Mark the grab point height with something.

Put the car on a lift. Drive wheels in the air. Engine running.

Put trans in first.

Depress clutch very slowly until wheels stop turning.

See how far down past the "grab point" you have to go to stop the wheels

It will transform the way you see full-face organic clutches.

Run the same test with pucks. The difference is alarming.


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Originally Posted by benlaz88 View Post
Just got a call from my shop, i prob need to replace my trans. Nothing wrong with the clutch or the fork.��
No. That's not how the transmission works.

Either way, assuming OP did bleed the clutch correctly, the flex in the fork reduces the motion ratio, and the clutch remains in the friction zone. The car is stopped. The first gear synchro has to fight to stop the input shaft and countershaft, as the output shaft is stopped. The clutch is trying to fight to keep the input shaft turning at idle RPM. The clutch wins, and the trans won't go in to gear. If the car didn't have baulk ring synchros, it would just grind. But, as it does have baulk rings, it simply locks out of gear because the shaft speeds will not synchronize.

If it won't go into first at any speed, and won't go in with the engine off, then your transmission is broken, but that's not what you said earlier. We can get into what may be broken, but that's not the case.

Assuming you've told us everything, your issue is clutch drag. There aren't any other possibilities. We can talk about why if you like.
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