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First off I believe respect should be both ways not just one way. When people speak to others as if they are ignorant I lose respect quick.
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I strongly agree with this, as this is exactly how I operate. However, here is a small example of where you spoke to me as if I were ignorant and insulted our design and engineering efforts:
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It's getting real annoying people say how their crap is the best and it's nothing more than a copy of what's been done.
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And half the new shit is worse than the old and dangerous....
Come on People we are better than this........shm
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Once again your wrong
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that's true engineering.
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Do really believe that your magic bar stopped all that damage??? You might as well say strapping a pillow to the steering wheel is as good as a air bag..
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didn't mean to hurt any feeling but come on
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I engaged in this discussion providing not only facts, but actual photo evidence backing up my claims about the mounting brackets not "being the weak link."
It was the negative comments insinuating that what we do isn't true engineering, and that we have no clue what we're talking about that forced me to leave the conversation instead of further explaining the strength of the brackets. A 3 dimensional formed piece of steel is stronger than its "thin," flat counterpart. And the strength of the bar must be at least comparable to provide significant benefit. That is why my comments about the bracket were relevant, despite your claim that they are not. Again, this is why I left the conversation and will be gone after. I apologize to those who were interested in continued discussion.
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Now as far as bars go, I could care less who's bar it is, if it's bolted to the brackets it will perform the same.. IF they are built comparably the same.
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That's a lofty claim, do you have any data to back that up, or is that purely anecdotal?
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The factory bars are designed to absorb kinetic energy from a crash.
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Source? I'm interested to see any sort of proof or information that they are designed as part of the crumple zones.
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So when you triangulate the bars you just strengthened a safety feature and effectively rendered it useless as it will no longer perform as designed, that's a fact....
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Again, I'm interested to see any data or information about this. I know that I posted a picture showing the opposite of this, but I'm open to any proof that you have if that is a fact.
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In all fairness I will say I run a crossbar and it is bolted to the bracket. Also I run the Grimmspeed hood struts.. I have no problem with Grimmspeed...Or any other vendor but I will never lay down and let someone talk to me in a belittling way. Period....I don't hold it against the company that one engineer made some questionable remarks he could have been having a bad day, we all do.....
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We appreciate the support and that you like our products. As far as belittling comments go, I simply asked that you read what I wrote, because based on your response it appeared as though you had ignored it. If it's in reference to anything else, I'm not sure what you're talking about and for that I apologize.
However with that said, respect belongs where respect is due. I'm all for engaging in productive and educating discussions. When we make claims we provide evidence via testing or data. Many choose to ignore that, and that's okay. But to insult our abilities and knowledge as engineers and say that we're ignorant of the structural components and forces involved in vehicles that we make components for is beyond insulting. The anonymity of the internet I think makes people forget they are speaking to real people.
I greatly apologize for how off topic this review has gotten, and for that I'll be exiting the conversation. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree unless you have any data to back up any of your claims.
Chase
Engineering