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Originally Posted by carbonBLUE
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in conclusion what im trying to say, is the rear will snap at you where you want it NOT to happen, at low speeds, through things like traffic lights, round abouts, street corners, and any kind of low speed turn on black top or grooved pavement really, most of these areas put you close to other cars, people, houses, and light poles
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Let me explain this: An LSD can stabilize your car in a moderate drift angle.
Or it can lead to a big drift and spin.
The difference is the relation of three factors:
- Nm at the rear wheel
- Grip
- Side acceleration.
As long as these three stay within a certain window, you come out with a moderate drift angle. If one or more of these are ouside of this window, then better react very fast!
- Nm = too much throttle - which can be easier achieved at low speed!
- Grip = what is sufficient on dry tramac will lead to a big spin in the wet!
- Side acceleration = the closer you are to the maximum speed in a certain corner, the less throttle is needed to send you in a drift.
Keep in mind: Your throttle control is not an on/off switch!
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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR
Not really the point. There's no reason to turn it off if equipped but the lack of them doesn't mean death and destruction. There's just no real value in turning them off on the street.
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Yes, there IS a real value!
But this does certainly not mean, that every unexperienced driver should switch it off and try to drift on public roads!
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Originally Posted by Brett
How did they drive? They probably had more accidents, which inspired someone to invent traction control.
I suspect that the average car without traction and stability control is designed to be less dynamic and more stable than the average car with traction and stability control. It seems like these driver aids would free the engineers to move the poles closer to the right half plane. Sort of like how the F16 is designed to be aerodynamically unstable to be more maneuverable. Not a perfect example but you get the idea.
Brett
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This explanation sounds nice, but unfortunately it does not reflect the truth.
In fact cars with activated traction and stability controls are SLOWER than with deactivated systems.
Actually these systems are often used today to mask insufficient suspension development.
Many modern cars come with very stiff suspension. The reason is the enormous weight, that reduces their handling ability quite a lot. Therefor these cars come with very stiff suspension and a very direct steering gear to give an impression of good handling despite their overweight.
As a result these cars work quite well on dry tarmac, but are very difficult to drive in the wet. Exactly THIS is the reason for stability control and traction control in modern cars: Without these systems such heavy cars are somewhat dangerous in the wet.
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Originally Posted by Celicadude
This is exactly my point. The car culture today is stuck in this whole "you must suck at driving or it's no fun if you leave the traction control on" mentality. This is fine if you have taken the time to properly learn to drive your vehicle in a safe and controlled environment. Problem is is that all these newbs to rwd are jumping into these cars thinking the exact same thing. Traction control off does not automatically make you a better driver. ............
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Yes, switching it off does not necessarily makes you a better driver.
But:
Why was everybody crying: "
Oh, the Toyobaru needs more power! We want turbo charging!"
I tell you what: Driving fun has hardly
anything to do with power!
This car has more than enough power, for some it will even be too much.
Why drive a Lambo with 600 hp, if you are unable to control it?
You will have much more fun in an old BMW E30 with 100 hp, that you can drive by yourself.
Driving fun for a sports driver comes out of a lively handling and the ability to drive a car at its limits.
If you can't drive a certain car at its limit without VSC/TSC, please don't try it with these systems! This is dangerous, too!
Learn how to drive your car in situations, where it is not dangerous to you or others! Look for a wide open place, that allows you to learn, how your car reacts. Join a driver safety course, that includes kick plate and learn, how to catch your car, if it starts to slip (I assure you, this will teach you awe!). Use the winter time to practice drifting on a wide place all covered with snow, as everthing happens slower under these conditions and its very easy to bring the car in a drift. This will help a lot to develop the steering reflex.
Train yourself, become an experienced driver.
The most important point is: Always handle your car with AWE!
NEVER underestimate, what your car can do in extreme situations!
200 hp can create a lot of fun - and a lot of fear!!