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Originally Posted by Dimman
Ok, I know little about the tC.
Here is what I know about Scion in general and the tC specifically.
The epic performance car you call the tC is based on a chassis that Toyota makes for a European FWD family/economy car that fits between the Corolla and the Camry in terms of size. It is powered by a Camry/Corolla XRS/RAV4/Matrix four cylinder. It has MacStruts in the front and multilink rear suspension.
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It chassis is based on the Toyota Avensis a European
AWD family/economy car. This very fact is why it is allowed to compete in Formula D. Rules of Formula D state that you are NOT allowed to convert FWD cars to RWD to run in the series. The car has to come from either an AWD configuration (which the tC's chassis as mentioned, already does), or it must be RWD.
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Originally Posted by Dimman
That's about it.
Not going to blow any minds into thinking, 'OMG this would be an awesome race car!'. Unless I could get one for free, and lots of Toyota factory support. (Think Titan is operating a 2JZGTE-powered funny car under the Scion brand because they WANT to? All they want is the money.)
You are completely under Toyota's marketing spell. I'm not going to look for the exact quote but you said something along the lines that because of these extremely heavily-modded, some not having a single 'Scion' component on them, you are proud to be a Scion owner. You are probably proud to watch the 'David' little man Scion team beat up on the established 'Goliath' performance cars. Yeah, go underdog!
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Actually I posted that I was proud to be a Scion owner because I look up to these tC's. One is built beyond the normal guy (me)'s means, and the other is a build that any normal guy can duplicate (PTuning's tC). Marketing spell are you serious? I was racing my tC before PTuning even came around dude. I was boosted before PTuning developed their Time Attack tC. And Rado wasn't knocking down Track records yet. I am considered an OG in the Scion Community because I've been around the Scion Forums before there was even one single turbo setup for a tC. Now there are like 10....LOL.
I am definitely proud of the David vs Goliath phenom though, but that is based on my Own Personal experiences from my Street racing days. Everyone in my town "were" just like you. Now when they see my tC roll around, they "Know" to not be just like you. You know, if I were to meet the lot of you at the race track and you had no prior knowledge of me via these forums, you would have me do the same thing the guys at the race track have me do.....That is making me pop my hood, only to find out that I'm currently running a stock air box, stock header and full exhaust for power...LOL. If they make me pop the hood now, imagine when I put my new turbo setup on the car...
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Originally Posted by Dimman
Those cars and the money Toyota throws at them is actually marketing. Gasp!
But you're not realizing that it's actually the other way around. Toyota is a factory team dressed up as Scion competing against a bunch of privateers. In cars so far removed from what they sell it's amazing. Given the reality you should be embarrassed that they are not doing even better.
Get over your car. It's basically a Camry/Corolla coupe. You spent a lot of money to make it fast. Good for you.
As for your engine numbers, I'll admit I know next to nothing about the 2AZFE. But my experience in the Supra community means I have a good handle on the BS that comes with 'stock' claims. And by that I don't mean that I think the 2JZGTE can take 1000 hp on stock internals and that no other motor can come close to the mighty 2JZGTE. It means I know how much BS is in the 'stock' internal 2JZ claims. And this is a HEAVILY over-built motor. Iron, closed-deck block, everything forged but the pistons. So I don't see a lightweight, economy-minded motor making crazy claims having any more truth to them.
But I could be wrong.
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It wouldn't be the first time you were in this thread now would it. What part of PTuning has never seen $1 dollar from Scion do you keep over reading?
Of course I'm not backed by Scion, I'm just a privateer doing what he can on a family man's budget. Get over my car because it's basically a Camry/Corolla coupe? Fact 1: Camry and the NEW Corolla XRS share one thing with the tC....powerplant. So, based on your OVER simplified attempt at a put down that, you guessed it, I've heard 1billion times already.....You consider a 240sx a Truck then, as the 240sx KA came from a pickup truck.
Is there something wrong with someone building their car they selected and enjoying it's performance and being proud of what it has accomplished?
And how much BETTER should Rado's tC be doing? It's Untouched dude...every FWD car in the Unlimited class is like 8sec slower than he is. How much of a butt whooping do he need to give?
Listen, you don't have to Like Scion, or like the tC or whatever. But there is a difference between being an Enthusiast and giving respect to Fast feats of engineering, and just simply being ignorant and hating on something no matter what it accomplishes. Which are you? Something tells me Enthusiast isn't among the people here. I am an Enthusiast, and I enjoy anything that is fast or can be made fast. I can give two rats if it's FWD, AWD, RWD, made by Mitsu, Subie, Toyota, Scion...etc.
So, the whole..."Oh if it comes out as a Scion then I won't buy it"....I simply laugh at. People hated when they found out the new GTR35 was going to come out under Nissan. And many stated "$70k for a Nissan is stupid".....yet the car freaking performs. As long as the FT-86 performance meets it's price, I can careless if it comes out as a Scion or a Toyota, although I sure HOPE it comes out as a Scion or have a Scion version, cause I'm going to rock it hard and see what it's made of.