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Originally Posted by Dragonitti
And in no way shape or form am I say...."Oh the tC is AWESOME, it's the BEST, no one better....blah blah blah". I am giving you what I know about the car, as this ENTIRE forum LACKS in experience with this vehicle and go around spilling Hatemonger false info. And then the Hater Bandwagons starts going around picking up Noobs who after listen to the BS posted here....THINK they know what a tC can do.
No one in this forum spouting the BS are coming from actual real world knowledge or facts, and only giving some "biased" opinion because of some little crappy Rice boy they see driving a tC, or because they watch the Marketing commercials that Scion puts on.
Whoopdie doo...if you want REAL knowledge about this car, I am more than qualified to explain what it can and can't do. As like I mentioned, been racing it for 4 years (basically since they came out), and I've seen companies come and go in the Scion community with parts....The aftermarket for the tC is VAST and rivals just about any other make/model tuner car out there. And no I'm not talking about some BS Factory Toyota crap that you all so stereotypically think that we get our stuff from. Any Scion Enthusiast that's into performance aspect of it has Aftermarket gear, not some Factory cosmetic enhancement that does nothing. We are not all Stupid Rice boys who think that if I add an OBX shift knob, I can reduce my throws by 50%....Lame.
The only thing we are missing right now, is a stronger gear set (Factory transmission is stout though still, taking 450+whp before you lose 4th gear). But that's all about to be solved as well, as PTuning is working on a Straight cut gear setup, and possibly doing it in conjunction with PPG. Lengthen the 1st gear (as on boost it's useless), and to change gear ratios to better go along with some of the tC's out there with a built head reving out to 7500-8k rpms (factory is 6250rpm).
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Ok, I know little about the tC.
Here is what I know about Scion in general and the tC specifically.
The epic performance car you call the tC is based on a chassis that Toyota makes for a European FWD family/economy car that fits between the Corolla and the Camry in terms of size. It is powered by a Camry/Corolla XRS/RAV4/Matrix four cylinder. It has MacStruts in the front and multilink rear suspension.
That's about it.
Not going to blow any minds into thinking, 'OMG this would be an awesome race car!'. Unless I could get one for free, and lots of Toyota factory support. (Think
Titan is operating a 2JZGTE-powered funny car under the Scion brand because they WANT to? All they want is the money.)
You are completely under Toyota's marketing spell. I'm not going to look for the exact quote but you said something along the lines that because of these extremely heavily-modded, some not having a single 'Scion' component on them, you are proud to be a Scion owner. You are probably proud to watch the 'David' little man Scion team beat up on the established 'Goliath' performance cars. Yeah, go underdog!
Those cars and the money Toyota throws at them is actually marketing. Gasp!
But you're not realizing that it's actually the other way around. Toyota is a factory team dressed up as Scion competing against a bunch of privateers. In cars so far removed from what they sell it's amazing. Given the reality you should be embarrassed that they are not doing even better.
Get over your car. It's basically a Camry/Corolla coupe. You spent a lot of money to make it fast. Good for you.
As for your engine numbers, I'll admit I know next to nothing about the 2AZFE. But my experience in the Supra community means I have a good handle on the BS that comes with 'stock' claims. And by that I don't mean that I think the 2JZGTE can take 1000 hp on stock internals and that no other motor can come close to the mighty 2JZGTE. It means I know how much BS is in the 'stock' internal 2JZ claims. And this is a HEAVILY over-built motor. Iron, closed-deck block, everything forged but the pistons. So I don't see a lightweight, economy-minded motor making crazy claims having any more truth to them.
But I could be wrong.