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Originally Posted by Dimman
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Originally Posted by oneday
The "Lawyers will make them water it down" argument is tired and ignorant.
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BTW, Honda did the same thing with the S2000. |
It's tired and ignorant because the MR2 issues were what, almost 20 years ago? And, because the probability of Toyota having to do a similar post-production dilution of a product is staggeringly low. Honda revised the S2K because the car was twitchy (there is no doubt about it) and they made the car better--it's called progression or evolution in Honda's case--they really did make the car better to drive.
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Originally Posted by Dimman
As for the Mk3 community, maybe it's my local scene that's the exception.
There are function before form modified cars. Built 7M's and a lot of 1JZ and 2JZ swaps. The rest of the Mk3's are pretty much as you described except bone-stock. Head-gasket time bombs, covered in rust.
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That is awesome that you have that many modded MK3s in your area...we definitely do not have that...and it's probably because the 7M requires so much maintenance and/or money (1J/2J swaps can be spendy) to make reliable performers.
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Originally Posted by 70NYD
and let me guess you think i sit at home all day and play need for speed? or BFS??
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Nope. I have no idea what you do, only what you stated here. I give you props for being part of the FSAE crew...I am friends with and race with guys that were/are on Maryland, Lehigh, Drexel and MIT teams...they build some ridiculous machines and are all great competitors. Some of their best engineers can't drive to save their life, but all of their drivers are also engineers that contribute to the team more than just their driving skills.
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Originally Posted by 70NYD
SO for the 5th time (and you sound like a dumb fuck since you cant see my point still nor acknowledge it) just because someone LOVES cars and is in to racing that doesnt mean that they actually know any specifics apart from what was on the box the part came out of..
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Really? Never acknowledged? I never
disputed that there are terrible instructors nor that there were drivers that don't know **** about set up.
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Originally Posted by oneday
It sucks that you had a bad instructor, there are stupid/ignorant people everywhere
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Originally Posted by oneday
you wouldn't be wrong to necessarily distrust the driver's advice when he shows up with a crew and a trailered 911 Cup Car
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I am glad that I am not one of those kinds of instructors. I am not an engineer--never profess to be--but I do know how enough about set up and how to communicate to my team mates what the car is doing so we can get the car set up better.
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Originally Posted by 70NYD
i understand what you meant to say (ie full space frame chassis with a look-alike skin over) but it just proves that just cus someone is a driver it dont mean they ACTUALLY know any technicalities.
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Tube frame is short for "tubular space frame," as in, "a space frame made from tubular material." Tube frame may be colloquial or possibly even archaic, but it is not incorrect.
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Originally Posted by 70NYD
they couldnt make their own swaybar that is PERFECTLY suited the the car they run with the weight of the car and the most probably modified suspension geometry taken in to consideration.. they would just get a swaybar of the shelf that sort of works for their setup and get ok transfer controll..
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There is such a small percentage of people that would even consider attempting to make their own swaybar for a production based car (why spend the time or money when Whiteline or Eibach already did it?) that this statement boarders on ludicrous. That said, I do understand your point.
Believe me, I know all to well that most people think, "I need a new sway bar," and then follow that up with, "What's the biggest bar you've got?" without any regard for the effect it will have on the dynamics of the car. Some people are worth taking the time to explain what they really need to, others, not so much.
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Originally Posted by 70NYD
[continued STI rally car vs tC drift car discussion]
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Wow, again, I never said that the drift tC was close to the same as a stock tC, nor disputed that the STI is closer to the showroom version, just that the STI is not nearly as "pure" as Dimman was trying to make it out to be.