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Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83
But results usually come out BEFORE the release of the car. Why? Because they're conducted by the manufacturer and with a professional driver of their choice so they can make a splash and generate some buzz for the car's release, except when it's a manufacturer who doesn't rely on Ring times or at least know that their sales won't be affected by it -- i.e. Ferrari. But every time a new or refreshed GT-R, Corvette, 911 (any variant), etc. is on its way, you'll see its Ring time before you know what its MSRP is. Even the Evo IX's Ring time (on a damp track, mind you) and in-car footage was out months before its release.
So if we don't have any times for the 2015 STI, it's because they either weren't timing it or didn't generate noteworthy results in their opinion. Otherwise the video footage put out of Makinen driving it on the Ring would've included a time and not just a thumbs-up at the end.
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The 2015 was seen being tested at the ring, and Subaru has admitted such, but I can't find any official times for it
Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. I also thought it was a bit weird that they didn't give a time on that video. Eh, who knows, the only thing we somewhat know is the raw performance data from other testing mags that shows the 2015 to perform better than the last model.
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Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83
This is true, but if you're talking about the 2008 models that they tested, the STI did win, but by 0.02 seconds... a super slim margin of victory, especially when all of their other lap times were only timed up to the tenths and not the hundredths. It's nearly a tie. To be honest, if it were the other way around and were the Evo that were 0.02 seconds quicker, I wouldn't even call that a win either. But even those results aren't great to gauge for our purposes, when their STI has a different motor (as mentioned before) and their Evo X is one of the FQ models that has some extra punch compared to ours.
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Yeah, it's near enough to make no difference. The EVO is a dead model at this point and Mitsubishi is a terrible company to deal with for anything, so if I was buying new that would seal the deal for me. Used is a mixed bag.
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Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83
But VIR has results that are obviously our stateside models. I'd like to see this year's results (as I don't doubt they'll bring a 2015 STI which should show a lot of improvement), but the way it stands, they've always done a lot better with Evos.
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So it's ultimately personal preference.
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Originally Posted by ayau
Back to the original topic.
After owning both the BRZ and the WRX, I've found straight line speed to be way more useful than cornering speed on a daily basis. I guess this is obvious. The BRZ definitely feels better in the corners, however, I dare someone to take a cloverleaf at 80mph in a BRZ with traction off. Most of us don't have the balls to do that. If you go to the track, I could see the BRZ as a better overall car, but that's like 1% of the population.
I think I'm starting to like power over cornering speeds for an everyday car. I think my next car will have to be 300hp+. Focus RS? Hmm..
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Depends on what you're used to and where you live. Coming from Miatas, the BRZ is a more refined and faster car. Didn't like the ergos of the WRX at all (felt just like it is, a kitted up sedan), plus the BRZ looks better (IMHO).
I'll admit I like power, but I've always been a fan of feeling fast over being fast. Been in cars that will cruise at 100+ mph and it feels like you're doing 40 and it's ultimately boring...