[Quentin]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

He was talking about his 2014 GT which would have been easily over 30k new. The ecoboost is nice, but add the performance package and you're looking at a 28k car with no other options.

The FRS seats are not roomy, but they get the job done. I don't normally carry +2 passengers, but I like having the option in a pinch. I've owned 2 seater cars before and would never do it again for a DD. If you normally carry more than one passenger the Mustang wouldn't be a great choice either.

The value that comes with the Mustang is undeniable, there is a reason it has lasted for so many decades. It offers a great amount of power for the price, but it is also marketed to the average American, so there is an obvious emphasis on comfort. The FRS on the other hand looks horrible on paper, which is why I think so many people love to argue about the car. Once you get in the car though, you understand what makes it different from a Genesis, Mustang, Challenger, or Camaro. It's the low seating position, the nimble steering, the high redline, and everything else that makes this car so special. It's not perfect, it's not for everyone, and it's not going to win any drag races, but there isn't another car for under 30k new that I would rather own.

The FRS will never sell in numbers like the Mustang or Camaro, no matter what Toyota does to it. Even if they added more power, people would still complain that it's slower than other cars. There are also too many compromises that the average driver wouldn't be willing to make. It's too low, the seats are too tight, the ride is too firm, and there isn't nearly enough sound deadening. This car was made for a certain kind of enthusiast, and because of that a lot of people will never understand why some people love the 86 so much.

Well put. A lot of the things that I love about the FR-S are things that many buyers dislike. I love that it is considerably smaller than a Mustang. I'm 5'8" and 155lbs. I'm a small guy and the car fits ME great. If Toyota and Subaru really wanted to sell more cars, they'd have to make it bigger. Most people think small is unsafe. Small is hard to get into. Small doesn't fit large guys/gals as well. Well, there is a well established line of Mustangs and Camaros with 4s, 6s, 8s, supercharged 8s and trim packages out the rear for those folks. They'll probably have an AWD option at some point in the future if you look at the trend of what most people want.


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