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Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

[Zealot mode on]

Let's see why we are calling it a win

Here's what they set out to find out in this video
"Like ford's iconic pony car, Subaru's new age coupe is one of the best driver's car you can buy for under $30,000. But is it a better driver's car than the Mustang?"

yadda yadda yadda some driving of both cars, some track times... and then we get the conclusion

"Raw numbers don't necessarily make a great driver's car. The little Subaru won't match the Mustang on the drag strip and proved a second and a half slower around Willow Springs during Randy's hotlap sessions. But the big Ford simply can't match the surgical precision and joyous feedback you get from the BRZ's steering, brakes, and chassis. If you love driving, if you love a car that will reward you for accuracy and smoothness, and yet let you play fast and loose when you want to, then the BRZ will have you grinning from ear to ear every time you gun that 2 liter boxer 4."

Seems like they thought the BRZ was the better driver's car to me, but then again I'm just a zealot 28 year old trance blasting moron

Thanks - that's exactly why most of us would call this a win.

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think the issue is that the track really favors handling and the brz lost. also cant help but notice that the mustang can be had for so much cheaper. people have even had the gt for cheaper. that really isnt my point though. i have the issue when the brz wins this in the minds of people but then when another review says the megane is the better drivers car, they throw that comparsion out.

If you want to compare a true handling track, just compare the Solo Classes that each respective car will be in: BRZ = C or D, Mustang = F. That means the Mustang will be quite a bit slower around a very tight handling track. But of course this doesn't mean anything to you because you believe that Streets of Willow Springs has somehow become the ultimate standard for determining how well a car handles, while ignoring the actual races/tracks that this car will be seen in.

Then again, race times are still a ridiculous metric because the Miata beats cars that are 10 times its price in Solo. Does this mean the Miata is the only car worth buying? Of course not. What's important is PREFERENCE and FEEL - and we tend to put some thought and weight into the words these reviewers are talking about instead of just a single lap time from a single track.

Spacey put it really well...

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

Going faster and feeling like you're going faster are two separate and unrelated phenomenons. One is measured with a clock and one is measured by the smile on your face.