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Old 08-13-2014, 09:21 PM   #79
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Originally Posted by EMS Guy View Post
I am thrilled to see we all have a sense of humor about this.

For the record, I am the ripe age of 51 and NEARING retirement in the next 10 years or so if I can stop blowing foolish money on cars like what I am driving and talking about right now.

Secondly, my "LS" reference was to a Corvette I had owned and sold 2 years ago. Not some Honda B series you where speaking about. True it's a different animal, but performance is performance. The platform changes, however the core fundamentals in a gasoline combustion engine still hold true. It's still suck, squeeze, bang and blow. All the same there. It's all about efficiency.

In my LS3, I had long tube headers and an exhaust with a tune by one of the top C5/C6 tuners in the country and made just shy of 45HP gains with a tune and the mods. Again, that's a 10-15% increase over stock WITH a tune. So to say a 25% gain, that's a little tough to swallow. That is what I am saying.

In my time I have seen all of the talk and hype in many cars that I have followed and owned including an NSX, which again I sold back in 2008. There was a huge battle of turbo systems between LoveFab (whom at the time was the undisputed king of NSX turbos in my opinion) versus another company out of the west coast (name evades me**old person problems**) and they both claimed their kits where better. All kinds of jaw jacking going on for months. An NSX meet occurred where the 2 companies faced off at an agreed equal turbo size, similar kit, same dyno fresh engines and same boost level. Needless to say, the LoveFab's competitor was caught with their pants down. At the same boost level, they made (if I recall now, been sometime) like 75HP LESS than Cody's monster. So the moral of the story is that inside dyno numbers don't always equal or equate to outside numbers. That story showed it all.

So I guess what I am getting at is......can we see said product dyno'd before and after on another person's dyno other than yours? If the gains remains the same, then you spent $75 and an hour of time and now have won over PLENTY of potential header and exhaust sales such as myself (for the header) and claim your fame, which is a small price to pay to shut the crowd up.

Just my respective 2 cents. Don't get me wrong, I love what you did with your turbo. Truly sold on it, but I need to be realistic with funds due to several external factors.
I think the biggest difference to your LS is the FA20s VVTI or whatever acronym they like to use. It allows headers to be optimised a lot more than the fixed cam timing on an LS. I suspect if more of the headers available for the FA20 were tuned to "within 5deg of optimal cam timing" instead of just off the shelf tunes we would see some pretty good gains floating around the forum.
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