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Originally Posted by Gadflyii
The Z is over due for a complete re-make. It is no longer performance/price competitive in the market, and if you go look at Nissan's Z sales it shows..
Exactly my point. The base FR-S @25k is about 5k too much.... There is NOTHING in the FR-S that justifies that kind of price.. Again.. the TC likely costs more money produce than the FRS, and they should be priced about the same.
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The Z had a complete remake in 2009. Not sure how that could be considered "overdue". We won't be seeing a new Z until 2015. There is a mid-cycle refresh coming this spring as a 2013 MY.
Before the economy tanked, Z sales were doing OK. A car like that is never going to continue it's initial sales volume because initial demand is what drives vehicles of this type.
You still haven't provided a single reason why the tC costs more to produce than the FRS. Everything about that car is cheaper than this model. Engine, suspension, interior, etc.
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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar
I was surprised that it even made 200BHP! With the mid $25k range we've heard about for the last couple of years, if they make a STI version it's going to be well over $30k without a turbo or higher output engine. Plus all of the advertising is pushing the driving aspect while downplaying the lack of HP. Sure signs of no prospect for a power increase. I don't expect any different from Subaru on the matter either.
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What you are saying makes no sense. Of course the advertising for the current model is centered around what the car does best. I've never seen any company center an ad campaign about a cars weaknesses. Besides that, the current advertising campaign has absolutely nothing to do with what will be offered in the future.
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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar
My point is if you start debating more HP and this car, you've lost any credibility to me. Comparing the FT86 to midsize sedans it just asinine.
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I don't think anyone is comparing the overall car to mid-size sedans only that the acceleration figures are on par with some of them. Obviously the FRS/BRZ will handle far better than those cars and offer a better driving experience, but that doesn't negate that those acceleration figures are slightly disappointing for a sports car.
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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar
Now aftermarket/modifying is a completely different story. Even I might add a turbo/supercharger someday. But I know better than to expect one from the factory at this point and after they went through all the work to build a highoutput N/A version for a very low volume car.
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They also went through all the work to make that same engine a high output FI one too. It has been confirmed by Subaru that a FA20 with a turbo will power the next WRX so maybe your expectations aren't well founded.
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Originally Posted by NERO
Not sure that's accurate, the new Camry SE, has close to that list and you can get the 4 Cyl. for $26K. It also has a navigation system with Entune for accessing the web. Add the things it doesn't, HID and the leather alcantera inserts and you'd still be under $30K.
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You would be darn close to 30k. This car isn't 30k either. My point in that original statement was that the car isn't over priced for what you are getting. There may be other vehicles that offer the same features at a very similar price point, but you aren't going to find any that offer those features at $25k which is what someone else was saying a limited BRZ should be priced at.