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Originally Posted by solidONE
What's the point of this 'discussion of rules' when you guys are just going to take Mike's word as gospel truth? And everyone else's opinions are just 'moot'? Whatever happened to robispec anyhow?
Here's a couple of articles from Grassroots that somebody who also agrees with my point sent me: I already know you guys will dissmiss this cause it is not chassis specific. But hey... the same physics is not applicable to this 86......
Sways yielded .52 seconds improvement and dampers and springs yielded .056 seconds improvement.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/dialed-in/
BBK with street pads in this example stopped from 120MPH in 441 feet vs. 477 feet with the still beefy stock set up.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/halt/ |
Neither of these examples is very conclusive. The first article is a comparison of parts as more and more are added into the equation and therefore the "gains" are not conclusive evidence of any one part's contribution other than maybe the first one installed.
And in the 2nd article, they changed brake pads along with the BBK and based on my own experience with my BBK, I would argue the pad was more of the deciding factor in the stopping distances than the BBK was.
Regardless, in the case of the 86 Cup, Mike has spent extensive time not only in his own car through multiple changes, but he has also driven many other FRS/BRZ's to come to the conclusion of the current ruleset. Are they perfect? Probably not. But I would argue they are much better than what we had last year. Mike already explained the reasoning for the BBK ruling on the first page and I would agree with that logic.
Another thing I'd like to bring up is that while we certainly invite discussion of the rules, please keep in mind that the classing in this series is really more for people to compare their driving ability based on a threshold of mods to others with a similar level of setup. And we are finding that driver mod >>>> car mods right now. We would love for the series to become a hardcore super tight competition series but the platform is still very young and the experience level with this platform is still relatively low. The rules this year were aimed more towards allowing flexibility in mods rather than the "if you have this part you're in this class" type of classing we had last year where the thresholds of variance were much greater than they are now.
So with that in mind, I understand you're frustrated that you're not in Stock class within the rules as is - but why not just try out Street class? IMO it's better to be in a class where you have room to grow without getting bumped out of class than it is to be at the top of a class where even thinking of modding anything else might get you bumped out.
If you'd like to continue your campaign for point changes for some of the parts, I would suggest that your participation would speak much louder than speculation. After all we're running a Time Trial series, not a Theoretical Time Trial series
P.S. Robispec was of course asked to participate in helping to lead the 86 Cup again but unfortunately he has many plates spinning this year and was unable to do so. However, Mike and I still keep in contact with him from time to time and I'm sure if he had any objections to the rules for this year, he'd let us know (and we'd most likely listen).