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Originally Posted by cyde01
i wish i could see the world with rose colored glasses like you do. 300hp sports cars at $26k for everyone! if it were that easy then don't you think everyone would have done that already? why would nissan even bother to sell the z?
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uhh..... There are a good number of near-to 300hp sportscars for 26k, on the market... so... not sure what you point is?
The Z is over due for a complete re-make. It is no longer performance/price competitive in the market, and if you go look at Nissan's Z sales it shows..
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Originally Posted by cyde01
the logic you are using with the 2 cars you mentioned only look at the cost of parts and completely ignore economics. oh, hyundai can build a turbo sports car for 26k msrp, surely toyota can! lol knee grow please! you're talking about a korean car company! you can't compare korean car prices to japanese car prices at all, the korean won has a much more favorable exchange rate compared to the japanese yen and labor costs are still far lower than they are in japan. that's why hyundai and kia can offer similar content in cars at a lower price than the competition. concerning the impreza, hello economies of scale? the impreza is subaru's bread and butter compact sedan! it's not a low volume sports car. economies of scale state that the more units you sell of something, the lower each unit will cost to make. because pretty much most of the car aside from the turbo equipment are shared between the wrx and the impreza, the sheer volume of units sold allows them to lower the cost of each unit, even though it has awd and a turbo.
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First of all... that is not how a free market works. Do I care that the Won is stonger to the Yen? No.
Do I care that Subaru sells more WRX's than Scion will sell FR-S? No.
The market is the market. All products in the market compete freely against each other. That is why is is called the free market.
None of those factors justify why I the customer should buy a lot less car for my 25k. If you go to the pricing thread (think it is "when price will be announced" someone made a really nice list of cars that will come in below the FR-S / BRZ 25k price point. You should go read it...
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Originally Posted by cyde01
if the corolla was awd, and toyota decided to sell a turbo 260hp version of the corolla, i'm sure they'd be able to sell it for 26k. but a 26k turbo frs? when the assumption is the standard frs will be 25k? i wish i could be as optimistic as you but that just sounds damn naive.
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Exactly my point. The base FR-S @25k is about 5k too much.... There is NOTHING in the FR-S that justifies that kind of price.. Again.. the TC likely costs more money produce than the FRS, and they should be priced about the same.
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Originally Posted by cyde01
and by the way, i have already made these exact same arguments multiple times on this forum. i'm really tired of new members coming on here every 3-4 months and hearing the exact same argument and giving the exact same info back every single time. it may be a new discussion to you but i've argued the SAME thing about the SAME 2 CARS several times with several different members. it's a extremely dead horse that you guys are beating. and btw the moar powah crowd are the ones that started it this time.
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Funny.. .if you have made them a few times, then surely this is not the first time you have been wrong.. you think you would of learned by now. Point blank, at 25k+ the car is overpriced in the US Market.