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Originally Posted by Nightbringer
If this conversation was between you and John you'd have done it over PM and not cluttered up Jybrd's thread with this bullshit. So far, John's the only one between the two of you that offered him helpful advice: tune and header are the best bang for the buck. <--- That was the point of the thread, incase it's been buried in the bickering.
We all want a tune that performs better and most are willing to pay for it. Yes, we've heard you say FA20Club is superior. I've heard Toma say BRZEdit is superior. If you post dynos from these two turbo cars, unless you have charts from the same dyno on the same day with Visconti's tune it doesn't really show a damn thing. Everyone is cognicent of how easy it is to mislead with dyno results.
As far as your bet to pay double... How about you find an arbitrary source that isn't already entrenched in personal conflict? Most chiming in here are already biased. Witnesses would even the playing field, but how about spending the time and effort to give BACK something to this community and assemble a proper, scientific test of ALL the major tune offerings on the market at this juncture? That's MY dare to all of you.
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All of the cars that have been re tuned came in with Johns tune loaded and many revisions to get to that perfect tune dialed in. Then these cars were placed on a dyno and run a few times to get a solid baseline of Visconti's tune on these cars.
Once completed, Tony reflashed the car and started tuning. He made gains on every single run after. One car was in the 230-240 range with John's tune and when I left an hour later had cracked the 300 mark. Same car, same parts, same dyno, same day, just a different tune. That's not some small increase..that's HUGE!
The reason I offer up my car is this...I'm not running a single part from FA20Club or from Visconti. I have a Perrin CAI, intake tube, and full header back exhaust. I'm running the Borla UEL and a lightweight crank pulley. The standard mods before going FI and just like John said, and I agree with, the header/tune is the best bang for the buck. My car has quality parts and is set up well. It's not some FI beast at this point that most forum members will never have. It's "attainable" by the masses.
I think that makes it the perfect car for a comparison. I'll throw on an oil cooler before the event and turn over my keys to John and Tony and stand back and watch. If John wins, he doubles his money on a tune and makes a believer out of me. If Tony wins then he proves what I and many others have already seen with our own eyes.
It's a fair contest and I'm the one footing the bill. I'll even pay for the dyno time for as long as each of them need to get it dialed in. Obviously if I'm willing to lay out all this cash I'm doing it for the community and for what this thread is all about...
I don't think anyone can argue with the terms and setup of this being unfair in any way, shape, or form.