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Originally Posted by vgi
@ phm14 just curious if you are, being so defensive, somehow related to toyota 
in short, this car should only be bought by people who only do daily driving, keep it completely stock, and plan to sell it before warranty runs out.
i'm guessing not many people who buy this car fall into this category.
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This is the biggest issue here. If these cars get a rep that they are "no good" after warranty it will kill resale, and there are a lot of people who won't be able to trade-in at the end of warranty with poor trade-in value. Toyota/Subaru will lose that coveted new customer base.
Word gets around about what I call "warranty cars." Cars that are known to have major issues after warranty, resale tanks and we all lose. I'm in the drive it till it turns to rust camp but this issue will affect all of us if it is dismissed by the OEM's.
It is one of the worst failure modes to diagnose in that there are no permanent CEL's and it doesn't start showing issues until high miles with average driving.
I don't agree with making a stink about taillights and non bankrupting type quirks. But if one's car were to develop a bad DI seal at 50k and finally the engine blow at 61k, he'd be out $8k for a new engine. The way this doesn't "throw permanent codes" for diagnosis and the possibility that it may be a cylinder head tolerance issue is down right scary. I haven't shifted past 4krpm in weeks, just isn't worth the risk. The only way to get real attention on this one is that the engine can seize, which is a
safety issue.
I think Toyota handled the idle/CEL issue very well and have done a good job with warranty issues thus far, but this one is a real challenge not only because of the severity and the late to present symptoms but because of the new technology. "First Ever DI Subaru Boxer Engine."