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flat4-86 10-06-2015 04:17 PM

Full build forced induction
 
I am currently doing my homework on doing a full build on my engine to make the switch to forced induction. A lot of my research has lead me to Crawford Performance and there fully built short block. Goals on the build thus far are 400whp on 93 octane with boost set right around the 20psi mark. I still consider myself an amateur when it comes to a build of this magnitude. Money will not be an issue here so please keep that in mind. Any helpful advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated. Are my goals unreasonable? Is crawford reliable enough?

Freeman 10-06-2015 04:26 PM

I too looked into Crawford. When I saw a customer was on his third built motor from them I stopped looking at them. Maybe you'll have better luck than that guy did

flat4-86 10-06-2015 05:29 PM

Were you able to find out what any of the issues were that he was having? Poor tune, bad turbo, driven too hard/pushed to far, etc..

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Freeman 10-06-2015 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flat4-86 (Post 2412021)
Were you able to find out what any of the issues were that he was having? Poor tune, bad turbo, driven too hard/pushed to far, etc..

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From what I remember it was engine assembly related.

I would also look at Full Blown Motorsports. I believe they offer engine building services.

FullBlown 10-06-2015 06:08 PM

Hi, we have tons of motors out there and have a vast knowledge on what these motors need to keep them together. Please feel free to contact us with any questions you may have.

Spartarus 10-06-2015 06:27 PM

The transmission is a major concern at that power level. 400 is right on the line. Street guys have held that power for tens of thousands of miles. On the other hand, Element Tuning (390 whp racecar) goes through a transmission in 5 race days or less. It'll hold together at that power level, but it won't take a thrashing on wide grippy tires and/or an aggressive clutch. It'll take launches, but not clutch-dump crashbox launches. Anywhere above the low 400's seems to be the place where the transmission becomes a guaranteed time bomb regardless of the setup.

Crawford is a really bad idea. Horror stories abound

Full Blown does good work.

My .02

GsxrMe 10-06-2015 07:21 PM

If I can find a used block I will definitely send it to FBM to have them build it for me.

cdrazic93 10-06-2015 09:07 PM

Lol product snipe. Nice job FBM, another one saved :thumbsup:

flat4-86 10-07-2015 07:31 AM

The car won't be abused too often, but I was going to look into local auto cross events and some track days here and there. Will the transmission so be in danger? Or is it still uncertain what the transmission will be able to take. ... and what kind of mods will need to be done to the transmission to get it to comfortably hold that amount of power?

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flat4-86 10-07-2015 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spartarus (Post 2412080)
The transmission is a major concern at that power level. 400 is right on the line. Street guys have held that power for tens of thousands of miles. On the other hand, Element Tuning (390 whp racecar) goes through a transmission in 5 race days or less. It'll hold together at that power level, but it won't take a thrashing on wide grippy tires and/or an aggressive clutch. It'll take launches, but not clutch-dump crashbox launches. Anywhere above the low 400's seems to be the place where the transmission becomes a guaranteed time bomb regardless of the setup.

Crawford is a really bad idea. Horror stories abound

Full Blown does good work.

My .02

What kind of horror stories have you heard about crawford? Do they just not know what they're doing or are they pushing they're blocks too hard??? I am going to be calling FBM today to get pricing and options

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Spartarus 10-07-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flat4-86 (Post 2412443)
What kind of horror stories have you heard about crawford? Do they just not know what they're doing or are they pushing they're blocks too hard??? I am going to be calling FBM today to get pricing and options

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I don't want to sling more sh*t at anyone. They're banned from this forum. You can find a few entertaining ones on that other Subaru tuner forum that I'm not going to mention, and make your own decision.

flat4-86 10-07-2015 01:58 PM

Gotcha, appreciate the advice too. I already spoke with FBM and their prices were thousands cheaper, plus offering built heads to go along with the bottom end build. Looking good for FB right now

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spitfire481 10-07-2015 02:00 PM

My fbm block still takes a beating at 30psi. Should make 700ish with the new fueling and turbo

flat4-86 10-07-2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spitfire481 (Post 2412643)
My fbm block still takes a beating at 30psi. Should make 700ish with the new fueling and turbo

Thanks for the heads up... full build top to bottom? Does the stock tranny hold the power well? How many miles have you put on it so far?

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