Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB

Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/index.php)
-   Engine, Exhaust, Transmission (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8)
-   -   4.556 final drive with TRD gear ratio change - good or bad idea? (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95829)

nzer 10-05-2015 04:30 PM

4.556 final drive with TRD gear ratio change - good or bad idea?
 
I'm thinking of doing the Toyota OEM final drive of 4.556:1 (same as Cusco but cheaper here).

I was wondering what it would be like with this AND the TRD cross gear set here http://www.trdparts.jp/release/2015_...ssmission.html

I know the effect the final drive will have and am keen but figured if they were playing around with the transmission I could get them to do the cross gear set at the same time but will the combo be better or stuff up the ratios?

And, yes, I did search but couldn't find out info about the combined effect.

swarb 10-05-2015 04:56 PM

final drive changes the ratio about 10% shorter.
higher final drive makes 3,4,5 gears more usable on a track.
trd gear set would make 1,2 usable on the track and closer gearing between 2nd and 3rd.

mrk1 10-05-2015 05:00 PM

4.56 is a very nice upgrade for a NA car.

Sargy 10-05-2015 05:23 PM

I Plan on it @nzer. I already have a 4.8!

I already envisioned the shorter change from 2nd to 3rd. Excited

nzer 10-05-2015 09:19 PM

Thanks for the feedback all. I've decided to do final drive first and consider gearing later. cost of gearing option is pretty steep with parts then quite a lot of labour as can't do it myself.

Aztec 10-05-2015 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzer (Post 2411186)
Thanks for the feedback all. I've decided to do final drive first and consider gearing later. cost of gearing option is pretty steep with parts then quite a lot of labour as can't do it myself.

The 4.56 Final drive swap is a great upgrade to the car, It helps overall feeling throughout the car, but still maintains very derivable mpgs
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=occuNSTlkIo"]UEL E85, 4.56 FD swap 0-80MPH - YouTube[/ame]

chaoskaze 10-05-2015 11:06 PM

Do it! TRD stuff is obviously very good..... + this is actually one of the upgrade option for 86 in Japan when you purchase the car from dealer.

GT86_PRAGUE 10-06-2015 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzer (Post 2410894)
I'm thinking of doing the Toyota OEM final drive of 4.556:1 (same as Cusco but cheaper here).

I was wondering what it would be like with this AND the TRD cross gear set here http://www.trdparts.jp/release/2015_...ssmission.html

I know the effect the final drive will have and am keen but figured if they were playing around with the transmission I could get them to do the cross gear set at the same time but will the combo be better or stuff up the ratios?

And, yes, I did search but couldn't find out info about the combined effect.


You might be interested in my thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94450

Today my car is in a shop switching 4.67 to 4.88. Then I will decide if I buy Cusco cross mission set or nothing.

Edit: I dont think you need longer gears on 4.56 FD, I run autocross here in Europe with 4.67 and it is manageable, but for 4.88 it will be probably too short. I will know for sure next week.

rx3 10-06-2015 09:24 AM

With the 5.125 ratio the second might become a long first and fifth could finally be used in a fast slalom. (But I think according to EU-law any change exceeding 8% needs to go through an individual approval procedure by a dedicated inspection agency = extremely expensive).

GT86_PRAGUE 10-06-2015 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rx3 (Post 2411503)
With the 5.125 ratio the second might become a long first and fifth could finally be used in a fast slalom. (But I think according to EU-law any change exceeding 8% needs to go through an individual approval procedure by a dedicated inspection agency = extremely expensive).

And who will ever know you have a shorter gear somewhere inside?

rx3 10-06-2015 12:43 PM

That's a good point.
We have to get the car inspected every 2 years and usually they take it on a very short test drive and this is where they could notice it. But this really depends on the person who's driving it.

stevesnj 10-06-2015 01:25 PM

Use this tire/wheel size calculator before you select a rear gear ratio

http://tire-size-conversion.com/gear-ratio-calculator/

Sargy 10-06-2015 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT86_PRAGUE (Post 2411441)
You might be interested in my thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94450

Today my car is in a shop switching 4.67 to 4.88. Then I will decide if I buy Cusco cross mission set or nothing.

Edit: I dont think you need longer gears on 4.56 FD, I run autocross here in Europe with 4.67 and it is manageable, but for 4.88 it will be probably too short. I will know for sure next week.


it will be unless its a very VERY small course. majority of all of my autocross courses require 3rd gear with only 1 course that I can bang off the limiter in 2nd.

GT86_PRAGUE 10-07-2015 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sargy (Post 2412146)
it will be unless its a very VERY small course. majority of all of my autocross courses require 3rd gear with only 1 course that I can bang off the limiter in 2nd.

You know - Europe is different, we have everything smaller :confused0068:
Well, not everything.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:38 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.


Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.