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JDM4E 08-21-2015 10:38 AM

Uneven drop on springs - why?
 
Why manufactures, such as Eibach and others, make springs that drop the car uneven front and rear? For example EU Eibach pro kit is listed as -25mm front, -20 rear. Why?

My average joe brain would say, that you want the car even with the road as OEM (is it?).

Racecomp Engineering 08-21-2015 10:52 AM

Most of the time it's for looks....but you can use rake to your advantage if you know what you're doing. IMO for lowering springs the main reason for doing it is just looks (the wheel arch is bigger in the front).

- Andrew

JDM4E 08-21-2015 10:58 AM

Thanks, I had the same thought. So if I don't know what I am doing then finding springs that are even (or set coilovers evenly) is preferable, right?

Racecomp Engineering 08-21-2015 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JDM4E (Post 2364825)
Thanks, I had the same thought. So if I don't know what I am doing then finding springs that are even (or set coilovers evenly) is preferable, right?

That's usually a good place to start and it will help you focus on other more important things (like alignment and tire pressures).

A good suspension tuner can help you out when it comes to looking at the full system.

- Andrew

Tcoat 08-21-2015 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM4E (Post 2364825)
Thanks, I had the same thought. So if I don't know what I am doing then finding springs that are even (or set coilovers evenly) is preferable, right?

Doesn't hurt if you "don't know what you are doing" either it is just you won't see the handling advantage. It is marginal even for the guys that do know how to use it.

If doing for looks then the larger drop in front does have a bigger effect. As RCE said the wheel arch in the front is bigger so by dropping the front that tiny bit more it evens things out.

Tcoat 08-21-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 2364829)
That's usually a good place to start and it will help you focus on other more important things (like alignment and tire pressures).

A good suspension tuner can help you out when it comes to looking at the full system.

- Andrew

This^^^ if it is performance and not looks that is your priority.

Nigelr32 08-21-2015 04:41 PM

It could also be the fact that the rear shocks are shorter so limiting the drop on them is less likely to cause them bump stopping all the time,( I think you call them jounce rubbers in the good ol USA)??

soulreapersteve 08-21-2015 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nigelr32 (Post 2365237)
It could also be the fact that the rear shocks are shorter so limiting the drop on them is less likely to cause them bump stopping all the time,( I think you call them jounce rubbers in the good ol USA)??

Bump stops also here in 'Murica. Never seen jounce rubbers being mentioned before, at least during my short time researching all things suspension.

DAEMANO 08-21-2015 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2365298)
Bump stops also here in 'Murica. Never seen jounce rubbers being mentioned before, at least during my short time researching all things suspension.

Sometimes also referred to as Jounce Bumpers. Which actually may be a more accurate term depending on the usage.

Nigelr32 08-21-2015 06:24 PM

Sorry guys. I used to own a 2008 Mustang GT, I bought shorter bump stops from Roush. They were called Jounce rubbers or bumpers.

JDM4E 09-10-2015 08:24 PM

Well it seems harder than I thought to find 1" evenly dropped springs.
Thinking about Pro Kit and live with the 25/20mm drop, but my OCD would love to know what effect the "rake" has on a car? I tried google it but without much success.

why? 09-12-2015 09:20 AM

It has no real effect besides look.

Racecomp Engineering 09-12-2015 01:14 PM

There is an effect, but 5mm isn't a lot of rake. Generally, a rear higher than the front will promote a little more oversteer...however too low in the front will result in riding on the bumpstops which causes understeer. Depending on how much rear travel you have and how ride height is adjusted, a taller rear (with more bump travel) will help you put power down exiting a corner.

Our RCE Yellow springs are an even 20mm drop.

- Andrew

wparsons 09-12-2015 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigelr32 (Post 2365237)
It could also be the fact that the rear shocks are shorter so limiting the drop on them is less likely to cause them bump stopping all the time,( I think you call them jounce rubbers in the good ol USA)??

They also use less shock travel for the same wheel travel than the fronts.


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