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Decimus 08-11-2015 04:42 AM

Air/Fuel Ratio for Stock FRS @ High RPM
 
Trying to educate myself on this topic. Just purchased a AF gauge and will be looking into getting a tune soon.

My question... Does anyone know the AF ratio at high rpm for our cars?

What's the best ratio for power at high rpm?

I've read a bit and it seems like every car is different. Thanks for helping.

MaximeT 08-11-2015 05:52 AM

There is no real answer, AFR change all the time for each RPM and Load. It should be 14,7 most of the time.
It will go lower with load/RPM increase.

You want to stay as close as possible to 14,7 as long as you got no detonation or overheating exhaust valves.

Then your tuner will decrease AFR just enough to protect the engine. You don't want the lowest possible AFR, because you will loose at lot of gas and quite a bit of power.

steve99 08-11-2015 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Decimus (Post 2353127)
Trying to educate myself on this topic. Just purchased a AF gauge and will be looking into getting a tune soon.

My question... Does anyone know the AF ratio at high rpm for our cars?

What's the best ratio for power at high rpm?

I've read a bit and it seems like every car is different. Thanks for helping.

The stock tune runs quite rich at high rpm getting down to 10.7 afr.

most aftermarket tunersnaturally aspirated will target mid to high 11 afr at upper rpm..



Stock tune Primary oen loop fueling table

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1437551990

go_a_way1 08-11-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2353205)

:offtopic:.... but is that windows 98??

celek 08-11-2015 12:33 PM

WOT high RPMs should be 12.5:1 on regular gas for optimum performance 14.7 is incorrect and will be too lean.
14.7 for cruising.
This is recommended for NA application.

MaximeT 08-11-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celek (Post 2353386)
WOT high RPMs should be 12.5:1 on regular gas for optimum performance 14.7 is incorrect and will be too lean.
14.7 for cruising.
This is recommended for NA application.

I was not suggesting 14,7 for WOT :)

Decimus 08-11-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2353205)
The stock tune runs quite rich at high rpm getting down to 10.7 afr.

most aftermarket tunersnaturally aspirated will target mid to high 11 afr at upper rpm..



Stock tune Primary oen loop fueling table

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1437551990

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaximeT (Post 2353146)
There is no real answer, AFR change all the time for each RPM and Load. It should be 14,7 most of the time.
It will go lower with load/RPM increase.

You want to stay as close as possible to 14,7 as long as you got no detonation or overheating exhaust valves.

Then your tuner will decrease AFR just enough to protect the engine. You don't want the lowest possible AFR, because you will loose at lot of gas and quite a bit of power.

Perfect chart. Yes idle was was sitting at around 14.7.
At WOT above 7k I hit 10.2 and I thought that was really rich.

I'm going to ask if they can keep AF ratio between the suggested 11-12. Thanks for the replies!

stevo585 08-11-2015 02:09 PM

The OFT stage 2 UEL tune seems to run rich at least mine does and I'm at sea level. Its low 11's. I'm sure I'm losing a bit of power.

celek 08-11-2015 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaximeT (Post 2353449)
I was not suggesting 14,7 for WOT :)

Yeah but he was talking about high RPM so I figured I would specify. I don't know about you but I dont hover at partial throttle and 6000-7000 RPM

MaximeT 08-11-2015 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by celek (Post 2353744)
Yeah but he was talking about high RPM so I figured I would specify. I don't know about you but I dont hover at partial throttle and 6000-7000 RPM

Looking at the journalists video on YouTube, they do that all the time. Which is of course stupid :)
But I have seen many post (around here) and video where people drive crazy part load road driving rpm. Like JF on Drive TV.

Anyway, sorry, I'm off topic :p

steve99 08-11-2015 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2353247)
:offtopic:.... but is that windows 98??

nope XP running cut down theme so it runs better on my old netbook :D

go_a_way1 08-12-2015 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2354005)
nope XP running cut down theme so it runs better on my old netbook :D

Ahh! I see haha!!

arghx7 08-13-2015 01:27 AM

The AFR is that rich under high speed and heavy load to keep the cat from experiencing accelerated aging. It's to comply with EPA longevity requirements.

Quote:

Originally Posted by celek (Post 2353744)
Yeah but he was talking about high RPM so I figured I would specify. I don't know about you but I dont hover at partial throttle and 6000-7000 RPM

It's not a big deal if you do. It won't hurt anything although I would change my oil more frequently if that's something that happens regularly.

Coheed 08-14-2015 02:43 AM

I'm partial throttle at high rpm all the time. Do you guys every see the track? Not to say it's a regular occurrence, but every time I'm in a canyon or on the track the engine sees a lot of partial throttle high rpm. Especially when I'm sideways.


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