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FloridaBRZ 05-01-2015 09:13 AM

E85 Users...I have a question.
 
Any one else running E85 with an OFT Stg2 UEL tune? I have found that since running E85, I have had a slower than normal start first thing in the morning. Just the very first start, it seems to hesitate a bit. Unfortunately, it seems to be getting worse. This morning I started my car and it hesitated for a second, then seemed like it almost stalled. I drive a manual, if it makes a difference. I didn't know if the viscosity of E85 was different than normal 93 octane, and it was just a fuel pump issue and nothing to worry about, or if I should go back to 93 octane. I don't want to damage my car.


Thanks,
Tim

CBR600RR 05-01-2015 09:55 AM

e85 doesn't like cold temps during start up. this is normal

raven1231 05-01-2015 10:02 AM

That's assuming that its cold in Venice. It's 80 right now in Miami.

D_Thissen 05-01-2015 11:02 AM

I heard once the temp drops below 50F, its a bit more difficult to start because the fuel doesn't vaporize the same. Could be wrong though..

Ashikabi 05-01-2015 11:11 AM

I have also heard cold start is hard, hence the 70% switch in the winter

FloridaBRZ 05-01-2015 12:42 PM

Okay. As long as Im not damaging anything. That was my primary concern. And its only the first start of the morning, once its sat all night. And Venice is not cold. I believe it was a frigid 75 when I woke up. But if its normal, Im happy. I LOVE the gains that I have and the smooth powerband that E85 has given me. Only problem is driving to get it....only one station with E85 in a 40 mile radius from my house.....

Jaden 05-01-2015 12:54 PM

I live in socal...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaBRZ (Post 2233903)
Okay. As long as Im not damaging anything. That was my primary concern. And its only the first start of the morning, once its sat all night. And Venice is not cold. I believe it was a frigid 75 when I woke up. But if its normal, Im happy. I LOVE the gains that I have and the smooth powerband that E85 has given me. Only problem is driving to get it....only one station with E85 in a 40 mile radius from my house.....

I live in southern california and it's the same thing. Don't worry about it. I hate having to turn it over twice so I'll feather the gas pedal and it won't stall out...

Jaden

kch 05-01-2015 01:21 PM

I've found that if you turn the ignition on for a few seconds (don't crank the motor, just set the ignition "on") it seems to start up with less hesitation.

Note: this may be all in my imagination.

F3RGY68 05-01-2015 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kch (Post 2233983)
I've found that if you turn the ignition on for a few seconds (don't crank the motor, just set the ignition "on") it seems to start up with less hesitation.

Note: this may be all in my imagination.

That's priming the fuel pump; any car usually will start easier or the same. It's a safe thing to do that can alleviate component stress.

Scott@HKSUSA 05-01-2015 02:36 PM

Stations are transitioning out of winter blends and into summer blends with higher ethanol contents so it would make sense for it to be a little harder to start on a "cooler" morning. As the weather continues to warm up it should get better for you. Unless you were tuned on E70...

FloridaBRZ 05-01-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@HKSUSA (Post 2234115)
Stations are transitioning out of winter blends and into summer blends with higher ethanol contents so it would make sense for it to be a little harder to start on a "cooler" morning. As the weather continues to warm up it should get better for you. Unless you were tuned on E70...

I'm running the stage 2 UEL E85 tune from Shiv, so I'm not sure exactly what it is rated at/for. Btw, LOVE your products. Thanks for all you do for our cars!

kch 05-01-2015 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaBRZ (Post 2234502)
I'm running the stage 2 UEL E85 tune from Shiv, so I'm not sure exactly what it is rated at/for. Btw, LOVE your products. Thanks for all you do for our cars!

Shiv's stock tunes are pretty conservative and I think are tuned for around E665

Guff 05-01-2015 11:35 PM

There's a thread here for modifying the injector pulsewidth for cold starts in RomRaider. My car never had an issue with starting after that. Lemme see if I can find it...

Edit: Found it!

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=40

It might take some fine tuning to get it perfect but this post is definitely very helpful.

steve99 05-01-2015 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guff (Post 2234695)
There's a thread here for modifying the injector pulsewidth for cold starts in RomRaider. My car never had an issue with starting after that. Lemme see if I can find it...

Edit: Found it!

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=40

It might take some fine tuning to get it perfect but this post is definitely very helpful.

Yes those tweaks will likely fix cold start issue (got that info in tune tweaks thread link below)

Also you can add a gallon of 93 petrol to full tank of E85 to dilute E% in winter just keep overall E% about about E60


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