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fang_gt86 11-21-2014 03:03 PM

Rear Mount Hydraulic Turbo?
 
I'm wondering if a rear-mount hydraulic driven turbo like my concept below can possibly work? This isn't anything serious just a fun concept!

I think some of the obvious benefits are things like less heat in engine bay and better weight distribution.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...pse3c7f674.jpg

tobin 11-21-2014 03:06 PM

Dude you should patent that immediately.

Tcoat 11-21-2014 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobin (Post 2030736)
Dude you should patent that immediately.

To late, it is now public domain as he posted on the forum without copywrite or patent!

f0rge 11-21-2014 04:34 PM

You have to wonder why no one has done this before if it was actually viable.

Even an accessory driven hydraulic pump could work.

Tcoat 11-21-2014 05:22 PM

Well apparently if you attended the 2002 SAE Powertrain and Fluid conference (sounds like a blast) then you would have heard a paper discussion on the topic. Apparently didn't pan out as there was very little info on the topic to be found. There is however a patent filed for a hydraulically "assisted" turbo.
And a similar idea has been knocked around on other forums.
http://papers.sae.org/2002-01-2731/
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...80185997,d.cWc
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...80185997,d.cWc

jvincent 11-21-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2030772)
To late, it is now public domain as he posted on the forum without copywrite or patent!

There is a one year grace period in the US, so he has some time.

fang_gt86 11-21-2014 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f0rge (Post 2030866)
You have to wonder why no one has done this before if it was actually viable.

Even an accessory driven hydraulic pump could work.

It's not a simple design for sure. Way more parts comparing to traditional setups.

fang_gt86 11-21-2014 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobin (Post 2030736)
Dude you should patent that immediately.

It's just an idea for discussion.

Tcoat 11-21-2014 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fang_gt86 (Post 2031019)
It's just an idea for discussion.

Cool idea, that is why I tried to find more on the subject. Not a lot of info out there though.

Foobar 11-21-2014 07:13 PM

Would the hydraulic fluid move fast enough to charge the blower to sufficient speeds?

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fang_gt86 11-21-2014 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 2031091)
Would the hydraulic fluid move fast enough to charge the blower to sufficient speeds?

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Yeah, I had that same doubt too. Maybe geared the turbine pumps so the fluid will reach the blower at faster speed?

serialk11r 11-21-2014 09:59 PM

Instead of a shaft (100% conversion efficiency), you are using a pump and a turbine which has considerable losses through flow viscosity and "leakage" at the pump and turbine. It would be better to use an electric generator and motor pair which would have maybe 85% efficiency.

DAEMANO 11-22-2014 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 2031278)
Instead of a shaft (100% conversion efficiency), you are using a pump and a turbine which has considerable losses through flow viscosity and "leakage" at the pump and turbine. It would be better to use an electric generator and motor pair which would have maybe 85% efficiency.


That idea has a familiar ring to it. :)

stugray 11-22-2014 01:27 AM

They are doing that exact idea, but replace the pipes with solid copper and the hydraulic fluid with electron fluid :-)

This has some info:

http://www.heat2power.net/en__benchmark.php

The electric turbo compounding.
Now you can isolate the intake impeller from all of that heat


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