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Reaper 10-06-2014 05:07 PM

Transmission warranty.
 
If you have had your transmission warranted for worn syncros I need your repair order.
Some of us have been getting claims denied for aftermarket wheels/lowered/turbo etc. The Magnusson moss act requires a dealer to provide a technical report of how your lowering springs(or whatever aftermarket part) caused the part to fail. These dealers are refusing too. I've contacted the federal trade commission. Better business Bureau and my states consumer protection. They have all recommended legal action.
We all know a turbo or springs or wheels or an exhaust doesn't cause a syncro to wear prematurely. But a local dealer does and has told regional that it does. Despite going to other dealers that claim it's common and willing to push the warranty through it still gets denied at regional. So I'm taking this to court. I'm also going to do my best to push this issue towards a recall.
If you have your transmission warranty repair order post it or pm me with it.

cdrazic93 10-06-2014 05:41 PM

In all seriousness, stick it to the man.:burnrubber: :popcorn:

Reaper 10-06-2014 07:17 PM

@Carlitoz3

djliquidsteele 10-06-2014 09:01 PM

I had mine replaced under warranty no problem. I am lowered with new front and rear sway bars and running E85 which I disclosed to them because I didn't want them flashing my car for any reason. I also have a Billet Pro Shop short shifter. They replaced it without any haggle whatsoever.

Reaper 10-06-2014 09:12 PM

Some turbo guys have received transmissions and some people with an exhaust have been denied. This thread is to collect repair orders for a court battle.

HiredGun 10-06-2014 09:28 PM

Arn't you obligated to arbitrate this issue? I'm sure you signed that waiver somewhere in the process. May want to have your attorney review your sales contracts.

Then again, maybe not

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...0/09-55963.pdf

civdaddy 10-06-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper (Post 1974104)
If you have had your transmission warranted for worn syncros I need your repair order.
Some of us have been getting claims denied for aftermarket wheels/lowered/turbo etc. The Magnusson moss act requires a dealer to provide a technical report of how your lowering springs(or whatever aftermarket part) caused the part to fail. These dealers are refusing too. I've contacted the federal trade commission. Better business Bureau and my states consumer protection. They have all recommended legal action.
We all know a turboor springs or wheels or an exhaust doesn't cause a syncro to wear prematurely. But a local dealer does and has told regional that it does. Despite going to other dealers that claim it's common and willing to push the warranty through it still gets denied at regional. So I'm taking this to court. I'm also going to do my best to push this issue towards a recall.
If you have your transmission warranty repair order post it or pm me with it.

Looking at your profile pic and this post tells me you turbo'd your car...

Transmissions are built to withstand only a certain amount of power. I think most people know that adding power is going to stress components more.

You added power. And a decent amount of torque specifically at that. Sucks that it happened, and hope it gets covered, but it's not looking good.

Reaper 10-06-2014 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civdaddy (Post 1974421)
Looking at your profile pic and this post tells me you turbo'd your car...

Transmissions are built to withstand only a certain amount of power. I think most people know that adding power is going to stress components more.

You added power. And a decent amount of torque specifically at that. Sucks that it happened, and hope it gets covered, but it's not looking good.

Well....SYNCROS don't see a load from hp or torque. So it doesn't matter if I put a tri turbo diesel in front of the transmission syncro wear has nothing to do with it. Syncros only match gear speed inside a transmission when passing through neutral. They only work while the clutch is depressed. Learn what you are talking about.

Reaper 10-06-2014 09:59 PM

That's like saying the added grip from these tires caused my steering wheel to peal.

civdaddy 10-06-2014 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper (Post 1974426)
Well....SYNCROS don't see a load from hp or torque. So it doesn't matter if I put a tri turbo diesel in front of the transmission syncro wear has nothing to do with it. Syncros only match gear speed inside a transmission when passing through neutral. They only work while the clutch is depressed. Learn what you are talking about.

If that's the case, then I learned something new today.

aegisdrgn 10-08-2014 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civdaddy (Post 1974441)
If that's the case, then I learned something new today.

I like your attitude.

OP, I wish you the best of luck.

calmtigers 10-08-2014 01:19 AM

Go to a different dealer, the guy in charge of mine was extremely helpful, he said that their shop manager or whatever gave grief about my headers (not even close to the tranny) but he told him otherwise.

He also said he's already seen 3-4 of these issues.

steve99 10-08-2014 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper (Post 1974426)
Well....SYNCROS don't see a load from hp or torque. So it doesn't matter if I put a tri turbo diesel in front of the transmission syncro wear has nothing to do with it. Syncros only match gear speed inside a transmission when passing through neutral. They only work while the clutch is depressed. Learn what you are talking about.

not wanting to get into an argument but it assumes your fully disengaging clutch while shifting. Now if you stuff it up a bit with the standard 200hp its probably bad enough but stuff it up with 400+ hp on tap and likely an uprated clutch, and I think they would have a reasonable argument depending on their analysis of the gearbox internals and what is actually worn/broken/deformed.

They could also argue that with that kind of horsepower going through the gearbox it has caused the entire housing and/or the shafts to distort/bend while transferring likely twice the intended horsepower/torque through the gearbox resulting in abnormal wear or breakage of the internal components.

I wish you luck but I don't think it going to be an open and shut case.

The synchronizer has to overcome the momentum of the entire input shaft and clutch disk when it is changing shaft rpm to match the new gear ratio. It can be abused by exposure to the momentum and power of the engine, which is what happens when attempts are made to select a gear without fully disengaging the clutch. This causes extra wear on the rings and sleeves, reducing their service life.


http://www.rsgear.com/blog/2011/5/23...-failures.aspx

Reaper 10-09-2014 03:49 PM

So you're saying 400 Hp with the clutch in at 6,000 rpm is more abusive than 200 hp with the clutch in at 6000 rpm because of momentum? That doesn't make sense.


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