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carma143 09-06-2014 03:25 AM

Airplane Cockpit Switches for Limited BRZ
 
I was disappointed when it turned out those "switches" for the airflow settings aren't really switches.

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/brz/br...tecontrol1.jpg

If someone was able to make small length switches like is seen in Airplane cockpits I would buy them in a heartbeat.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UpM3A21Iqp...640/lights.gif
Either the triangle or cylinder shaped switches would be fine. (Although I would prefer the cylinder shaped ones.)

If there ends up being a real possibility of a product like this, make sure to include the same/similar labels already present and that flipping up is on and flipping down is off.

retoocs 09-06-2014 10:21 AM

You can't change the switch logic of going from momentary to latched switches. It wouldn't be hard to build a panel using momentary switches though. You just won't like the price. The regular run of the mill toggle switches are about $40 each. Switch/annunciators like for the APU in your picture are about $500+ depending on the configuration. You would also need a $400 crimp tool to crimp the contacts onto the wires.

Pitman 09-06-2014 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retoocs (Post 1934442)
You can't change the switch logic of going from momentary to latched switches. It wouldn't be hard to build a panel using momentary switches though. You just won't like the price. The regular run of the mill toggle switches are about $40 each. Switch/annunciators like for the APU in your picture are about $500+ depending on the configuration. You would also need a $400 crimp tool to crimp the contacts onto the wires.

Not sure where you buy your toggle switches from, but just to give an idea as to the more realistic price of them:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?text=Toggle+Switches

raptor87 09-06-2014 02:37 PM

High quality switches are more expensive

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...FWho7AodjFMAOQ

carma143 09-06-2014 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retoocs (Post 1934442)
You can't change the switch logic of going from momentary to latched switches. It wouldn't be hard to build a panel using momentary switches though. You just won't like the price. The regular run of the mill toggle switches are about $40 each. Switch/annunciators like for the APU in your picture are about $500+ depending on the configuration. You would also need a $400 crimp tool to crimp the contacts onto the wires.

Would it not be possible to make the switches give the same output for flipping up and down? In the same way, the current "switches" probably give the same output every time they are pressed down, and then the computer inside just tells the car to perform the opposite action that it is currently performing.

Of course one would have to match the physical position (up or down) of the modded switch with the function the car is currently performing (on or off).

With my limited knowledge this could work, even if a OR/AND gate is needed.

Bigbadvoodooguru 09-06-2014 05:01 PM

Momentary vs latched switches. If you switched it up, when you flick the switch its like you were holding down your stock button forever. Not sure what that would do.

NWFRS 09-06-2014 11:42 PM

Looks the the same to me...

http://i.imgur.com/Zliod6H.jpg

retoocs 09-07-2014 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitman (Post 1934556)
Not sure where you buy your toggle switches from, but just to give an idea as to the more realistic price of them:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?text=Toggle+Switches

My day job involves designing aircraft electrical systems. Aircraft grade switches are way more expensive, but offer way better tactile feedback. You won't mistakenly flip a switch on.


Quote:

Originally Posted by carma143 (Post 1934679)
Would it not be possible to make the switches give the same output for flipping up and down? In the same way, the current "switches" probably give the same output every time they are pressed down, and then the computer inside just tells the car to perform the opposite action that it is currently performing.

Of course one would have to match the physical position (up or down) of the modded switch with the function the car is currently performing (on or off).

With my limited knowledge this could work, even if a OR/AND gate is needed.

Without having to dig through the schematic, I suspect the current switches just closes the circuit, while the computer cycles through the functions through the software. You won't be able to use a mechanical latched switch to tell the computer what to do, at least not easily.

Modern aircraft don't use too many toggle switches anymore. They all moved to push button style switches for just about everything.

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...d-standard.jpg

They do make these in momentary, but they are $500+ each.

aznatama 09-08-2014 10:13 AM

In short:

- It's still a switch, just OP was expecting toggle switched, when in fact they're momentary switches.

- Cannot change to toggle switch unless you use some sort of complicated system or a bunch of relays to make it act like a momentary switch.

Gunman 09-08-2014 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 1935208)
Looks the the same to me...

http://i.imgur.com/Zliod6H.jpg

Spyker?

D_Thissen 09-09-2014 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retoocs (Post 1935297)
My day job involves designing aircraft electrical systems. Aircraft grade switches are way more expensive, but offer way better tactile feedback. You won't mistakenly flip a switch on.




Without having to dig through the schematic, I suspect the current switches just closes the circuit, while the computer cycles through the functions through the software. You won't be able to use a mechanical latched switch to tell the computer what to do, at least not easily.

Modern aircraft don't use too many toggle switches anymore. They all moved to push button style switches for just about everything.

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...d-standard.jpg

They do make these in momentary, but they are $500+ each.


Sounds right a $20 switch costs and arm and a leg because its 'aviation certified' lol

Grymm86 09-11-2014 05:14 AM

Does anyone else remember the auto show prototypes having these style of switches? w/ curved metal bars in between them?


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