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dsgerbc 05-25-2012 10:32 PM

tire deformation question.
 
So I test-fitted a set of 04 STI rims (17x7.5 +53) that I have some rubber (old re01-r 235/40) mounted on that needs to be finished off on track/autox.
It fits but I can barely squeeze my fingertips between sidewall and the spring seat (see pic).
My question is - by how much the tire could deflect up top while cornering?

http://i.imgur.com/RSXXX.jpg

Draco-REX 05-25-2012 10:40 PM

Not that much. You're good.

pics?

dsgerbc 05-25-2012 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 226197)
Not that much. You're good.

Yeah, I hope it isn't that much in this light car, with sidewalls being fairly stiff as well. In a few of my first slow subies, that I autocrossed on AS crap-tires, there was quite a bit of deflection.

Just wondering if there's a ballpark 'safe' distance to the suspension pieces for decent street tires.

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 226197)
pics?

If you're asking for pics of 04 bbs on the car - I just tested one ;)
I'm still unsure of a jacking point for the whole front of the car...

Draco-REX 05-25-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 226214)
Yeah, I hope it isn't that much in this light car, with sidewalls being fairly stiff as well. In a few of my first slow subies, that I autocrossed on AS crap-tires, there was quite a bit of deflection.

Just wondering if there's a ballpark 'safe' distance to the suspension pieces for decent street tires.

I'm not sure about a ballpark. But when you're cornering hard, the worst deformation is on the outside tire. On that tire, the contact patch is being pushed in towards the car which means the top of the tire will want to push out away from the car, so clearance will increase. The inside tire is the opposite but doesn't have anywhere near as much load on it.

Quote:

If you're asking for pics of 04 bbs on the car - I just tested one ;)
I'm still unsure of a jacking point for the whole front of the car...
One at a time. One at a time.

dsgerbc 05-25-2012 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 226218)
On that tire, the contact patch is being pushed in towards the car which means the top of the tire will want to push out away from the car, so clearance will increase.

I never thought about it properly, but my gut feeling tells me otherwise. I'd expect the whole thread to shift inward in this case. I might be wrong though.
UPD: sample video
Quote:

One at a time. One at a time.
I'm not that dedicated.

driver01 05-26-2012 12:59 PM

http://youtu.be/EsjJz6zb8g8

On yokohama ad08
Rear tires

Turbowned 05-26-2012 03:33 PM

:needpics:

Draco-REX 05-27-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 226242)
I never thought about it properly, but my gut feeling tells me otherwise. I'd expect the whole thread to shift inward in this case. I might be wrong though.
UPD: sample video

I'm not that dedicated.

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Originally Posted by driver01 (Post 226603)
http://youtu.be/EsjJz6zb8g8

On yokohama ad08
Rear tires

Interesting, though I'd like to get better views of the top of the tire. I've seen suspension clearance that small or less without issue. I was always of the impression that the outer tire carcass acted like a gyro and deformed to the opposite direction at the top, but it might just be resetting to center.

I think the tire in the second vid is a Bridgestone Potenza RE11.

driver01 05-27-2012 04:40 PM

My mistake it is re11

Scooby South 05-27-2012 05:11 PM

FINALLY someone took a pic...thank you thank you thank you ... now I can calculate my own stuff....I have the same tire/size 235/40/17 on factory option BBS wheels which are 17x7...sooo I should be good..:) I had been asking for that view of the strut/tire for a while now..Appreciate that...now as long as the Stocker BRZ Wheels clear Subaru 4 pots..I will be good :D

Bill

old greg 05-27-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 226242)

Just to put your mind at ease, that's a bias ply tire. Radials have much stiffer sidewalls and don't see nearly as much lateral deformation at the top of the tire. Here's a more relevant video, a radial passenger car tire being massively abused at Calspan.

Warning: turn down your speakers.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmo_dkNZIHM"]Tire Force Test - YouTube[/ame]

dsgerbc 05-27-2012 08:00 PM

^Thanks for the earful, lol.
So, in general, how much would you suggest as a 'safe' clearance? I knew a few guys at autox who seemed to be okay if a credit card can be placed between the tire and the strut. In their worst case, however, the tire would be rubbing the paint off the strut body, not trying to get itself ripped by the edge of the spring seat.

old greg 05-28-2012 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dsgerbc (Post 227709)
^Thanks for the earful, lol.
So, in general, how much would you suggest as a 'safe' clearance?

Hey, I did warn you. ;)

I'd feel comfortable with 3/8" personally. Less than that and I'd put some masking tape on the spring seat, do some aggressive driving then check for signs of rubbing.

dsgerbc 05-28-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg (Post 228556)
I'd feel comfortable with 3/8" personally.

Thanks. That's a number I ran into more than a few times when I tried searching a bunch of different forums; although it seemed to come more often from people driving on R-comp tires.


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