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JordanLawrence 06-30-2014 02:46 PM

So how hard is it to do an LS1 swap
 
Like the title says, realistically how much harder is it/more expensive is it going to be to go that way over a turbo with an engine costing around 3-3500. What other modifications will I need to do (ex. rear diff) Just curious...

Diode Dynamics 06-30-2014 03:03 PM

Welcome to the forum!

I suggest doing a search to gather more information. This has been discussed a few times on the forum

It's definitely going to be more expensive then a turbo upgrade

Nick C.

Takumi788 06-30-2014 03:04 PM

Are you an automotive technician? Do you have a shop? How are you with fabricating? Wiring?

To my knowledge there aren't any LS swap kits yet. (dont quote me on that) This means you would be responsible for creating everything. I'm currently working on an S-chassis LS swap and there are drop-in kits/s-chassis to chevy wiring everywhere. Its going to cost me around $3000 for a "junkyard build". With out any wiring/mounts/custom oil pans/drive shafts on the market yet. You are looking at a lot more than that plus custom fab. Get a hold of one of the Techs at a formula drift competition and ask them. They are FULL of knowledge and love talking cars.

If you must have more power just supercharge the FA20. 240 HP with an innovate supercharger for less than $3000 and close to ZERO custom fabrication sounds great to me.

Hawaiian 06-30-2014 03:46 PM

Weapons grade made a swap kit. I think it was runing around 15k$ (don't quote me) just for the kit. No cutting/welding, labor, engine, or trans. I'm not sure about the standalone either.

sluflyer06 06-30-2014 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takumi788 (Post 1823345)
Are you an automotive technician? Do you have a shop? How are you with fabricating? Wiring?

To my knowledge there aren't any LS swap kits yet. (dont quote me on that) This means you would be responsible for creating everything. I'm currently working on an S-chassis LS swap and there are drop-in kits/s-chassis to chevy wiring everywhere. Its going to cost me around $3000 for a "junkyard build". With out any wiring/mounts/custom oil pans/drive shafts on the market yet. You are looking at a lot more than that plus custom fab. Get a hold of one of the Techs at a formula drift competition and ask them. They are FULL of knowledge and love talking cars.

If you must have more power just supercharge the FA20. 240 HP with an innovate supercharger for less than $3000 and close to ZERO custom fabrication sounds great to me.

But a stock LS motor will be both fast and reliable vs blowing up the FA20 with forced induction.

OP Also and I have no idea how easy or hard to swap but you can get a really low miles Coyote (2011+ mustang) engine for under 3 grand if you get it out of a F-150, the only thing to change it back to the mustang motor is the intake cams. There's a slight compression difference but not enough to warranty the price difference.
source: friend is in the middle of trading out his fully built and kenne belle 4.6L for a 5.0 motor in his track car.

fooddude 06-30-2014 05:02 PM

With a nice bolt on kit with all the needed accessories (cooling, ac/heater, fuel, wiring/electrical, headers, exh, driveshaft, making steering linkage and abs compatible if needed, ecu, etc) needed ($8k), LS3 crate engine ($6k), brand new tranny that fits perfectly (Magnum XL) with clutch and flywheel ($4k)....$18k for a brand new engine/tranny setup..give or take a few thousand for anything missing or the unexpected that may come up..so round up maybe an extra $2k..giving you $20k for all parts. Labor, do it yourself (which should be pretty easy since it's bolt-on and no welding/fabbing or engine block/tranny rebuilding experience needed)..or have a shop do it for $5k.

So for a proper, super nice and clean, brand new swap...$20k DiY ...or $25k if a shop does it.


Imo, and for the budget conscious, it is def not worth it to do it to a relatively new FRS/BRZ (it would be $28k for the car and $25k for the swap...bringing you to the same cost as a brand new corvette at $53k and other great cars in that range...not to mention, those cars will be made for the LS(or whatever else engine it came with) in terms of stronger chassis, bigger wheels/tires with suspension specifically made for that chassis and powerful engine) ....but totally worth it down the road instead of buying a new car. Maybe do it 5-15 years down the road, when the FA engine gets old, past 100k miles and/or blows up.


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continuecrushing 06-30-2014 05:14 PM

I'm pretty sure its a direct fit

Kostamojen 06-30-2014 05:17 PM

All you need is a parking spot, a hammer and about 30 minutes...

:bonk:

JasperNoone 06-30-2014 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hawaiian (Post 1823417)
Weapons grade made a swap kit. I think it was runing around 15k$ (don't quote me) just for the kit. No cutting/welding, labor, engine, or trans. I'm not sure about the standalone either.

Base kit $3750, complete kit $8000...add engine and trans. From their website:

Quote:

Finally give your BRZ/FRS/FT-86 the power it deserves! Our World Exclusive BRZ06 / FR-SS LS Powertrain swap kit has everything you need to swap a 400hp+ V8 into your Subaru BRZ or Scion FR-S!

We offer two variants of the kit, a base version, and a complete version.

The base version consists of:

-Engine and Trans Mounts
-Driveshaft
-Oil Pan
-Clutch Master Cylinder

The complete version adds on to this package with:
-Cooling Components
-Fuel System
-Wiring/ECU upgrades to OEM components
-Exhaust System
-A/C and Heat Components

All kits are made to order, and certain components are modified using parts from your drivetrain of choice and will require shipment to us.

We also offer in house installation of the complete package for $5000.

evan 06-30-2014 05:26 PM

Trade it in for a Camaro SS.

Captain Snooze 06-30-2014 06:56 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10401
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61862
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53534
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45827

continuecrushing 06-30-2014 08:46 PM


OMG, the OP said LS1, and then you post up 2 threads about LS2...


Now there's gonna be a "How hard is it to do an LS2 Swap" thread

D K 06-30-2014 09:05 PM

I read on jalopnek that the LQ9 and LS7 are much easier conversion.


Also, on pinterest it says you can use factory ECU

Captain Snooze 06-30-2014 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 1823897)
OMG, the OP said LS1, and then you post up 2 threads
about LS2...


Now there's gonna be a "How hard is it to do an LS2 Swap" thread

Yeah,I noticed that when scanning the posts but I thought I would throw those in because LS2 > LS1.
LS2/LS>LS1/LS
1x2>1x1
2>1
qed


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