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djmm 03-25-2014 08:23 AM

Why does 98/FRS?BRZ use premium 98 fuel?
 
I don't mean to troll, but I've always wondered why this car has to use premium/98 type of fuel when the matter of fact is the engine is not a performance car engine?
Anything special in the boxer engine which requires it to have only premium?

Pardon my ignorance if it seems like a stupid question.

PS - Having read the manual, it says you can use 95 unleaded quality fuel without giving giving adverse effect in driveability/durability... now I'm confused... Then what's the point of giving it 98, apart from the marginally better miles per gallon?

Shagaliscious 03-25-2014 08:26 AM

12.5:1 compression ratio.

NahumCC 03-25-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Shagaliscious (Post 1624292)
12.5:1 compression ratio.


This right here is your reason. The higher octane is needed to increase the resistance to knock/pre-detonation in the combustion chamber.

For reference as to why the compression ratio of this motor is unique most factory FI cars run around a 9.0:1 from the manufacurer and for N/A motors around 10:1 or just slightly above that.

Direct injection has allowed compression ratios to be bumped up. The FA20 with a 12.5:1 is a first to me.

kevman_101 03-25-2014 10:16 AM

It might not sound like a performance engine to you, but it kind of is. It pushes 100hp per liter. Take a Corvette ZO6 with 505hp. Devide 505 by 7L and you get 72hp/L. I`m pretty sure a Civic Si needs premium and most hot hatches as well.

With the ECU systems these days, you should be able to run regular and not do damage to the engine, unless you push it hard as it should sense detonation and work with the ignition, cams and fuel parameters to get rid of detonation. You will hurt the performance and fuel usage with regular, but if you`re stuck, regular should not kill the car in one single tank. Just don`t hit a racetrack with a tank full of regular.

GreenMonster 03-25-2014 10:18 AM

Hmm... didn't realize Australia had 98 and 95. Here in the states, our highest is 93 with 91 and 89 being the other choices.

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TM 03-25-2014 10:24 AM

Why does 98/FRS?BRZ use premium 98 fuel?
 
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster (Post 1624400)
Hmm... didn't realize Australia had 98 and 95. Here in the states, our highest is 93 with 91 and 89 being the other choices.


Australia used a RON rating while the US uses AKI for octane. 98 RON is equivalent to 94 AKI.


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orlandorealtor 03-25-2014 11:01 AM

I think Chevron is 94

humfrz 03-25-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shagaliscious (Post 1624292)
12.5:1 compression ratio.

Yes, I remember it well, it all started back in the 40s when the military wanted more powerful, thus faster fighter planes ....... ohhhh ..... sorry ..... carry on .... :bonk:


humfrz

Tromatic 03-25-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 1624550)
Yes, I remember it well, it all started back in the 40s when the military wanted more powerful, thus faster fighter planes ....... ohhhh ..... sorry ..... carry on .... :bonk: humfrz

A quick google shows the RR Merlin to have a 6:1 and a Wasp Major to be 6.7:1. ETA:

Interesting! High Compression!

Guillaume 03-25-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 1625026)
A quick google shows the RR Merlin to have a 6:1 and a Wasp Major to be 6.7:1.

The Merlin also had a hugeass supercharger :)

chrisl 03-25-2014 02:55 PM

It's already been mentioned, but it absolutely is a performance engine. 100hp/L naturally aspirated with a 7400rpm redline and a 12.5:1 compression ratio puts it solidly in that category.

Tromatic 03-25-2014 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Guillaume (Post 1625034)
The Merlin also had a hugeass supercharger :)

With a 6:1 compression ratio. The FA20 makes almost twice the power per liter as a Merlin.

Guillaume 03-25-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 1625066)
With a 6:1 compression ratio. The FA20 makes almost twice the power per liter as a Merlin.

2030hp for the ultimate version of the Merlin, 75hp/l. That's LS territory 70 years earlier :)


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