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radroach 11-20-2013 11:59 AM
H6 GT86
 
I don't have any other information on this, just video

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ichitaka05 11-20-2013 12:07 PM
That's an old news.

He have EZ30 engine into it. This car have been in Hot Version before test driven by Keiichi Tsuchiya & Manabu Orido.

Friend in Japan referenced his blog site to me & I've posted few pic on my blog site
http://ichitaka05.wordpress.com/2012...subaru-brz-h6/

ZionsWrath 11-20-2013 12:21 PM
You have a link to hot version video?

ichitaka05 11-20-2013 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 1342416)
You have a link to hot version video?
sadly no

chrisl 11-20-2013 12:43 PM
H6s sound absolutely glorious. It's a shame that wasn't the stock engine.

ichitaka05 11-20-2013 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1342468)
H6s sound absolutely glorious. It's a shame that wasn't the stock engine.
one the of reason is the weight. It weight over 30kg more (+66lbs). It become front heavy and require a lot more work to be done to hit their "lightweight" goal

chrisl 11-20-2013 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1342480)
one the of reason is the weight. It weight over 30kg more (+66lbs). It become front heavy and require a lot more work to be done to hit their "lightweight" goal
Yep. I know that it weighs more, and I know that it would be more expensive, but it would be awesome if they made an H6 an option. I definitely would like this more than a turbo if Subaru ever decides to bump power output or offer a higher model.

(I can dream, can't I?)

FReSh 11-20-2013 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1342526)
Yep. I know that it weighs more, and I know that it would be more expensive, but it would be awesome if they made an H6 an option. I definitely would like this more than a turbo if Subaru ever decides to bump power output or offer a higher model.

(I can dream, can't I?)
Agreed. This seems like it would be pretty awesome. Honestly, I don't think the 66lbs difference would be too noticeable. That's like a 2% increase... What kinda power does this engine make?

ichitaka05 11-20-2013 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1342526)
Yep. I know that it weighs more, and I know that it would be more expensive, but it would be awesome if they made an H6 an option. I definitely would like this more than a turbo if Subaru ever decides to bump power output or offer a higher model.

(I can dream, can't I?)
Yes, you can dream. I don't hate the idea... just it won't fit in the idea of 86, that's all.

BUT say... IF Toyota use 3.2 Liter H6 twin turbo w 86 chassis widen and made wheelbase longer tad a bit longer and call it coughcoughSUPRAcoughcough then I think, it'll be awesome!

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Originally Posted by FReSh (Post 1342547)
Agreed. This seems like it would be pretty awesome. Honestly, I don't think the 66lbs difference would be too noticeable. That's like a 2% increase... What kinda power does this engine make?
2% increase is a lot more than you think. For daily driving, you barely notice, but when it comes to racing... it's a BIG difference. You're forgetting that, 86 isn't 50/50 weight ratio and making a tab disadvantage against other sporty cars. If they drop the engine 20mm and push it back 55mm (minimal) then may~be... but still all the suspension design (specially the front), I'm not sure it's worth it.

EZ30D is 220ps & EZ30R is 245ps

chrisl 11-20-2013 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FReSh (Post 1342547)
Agreed. This seems like it would be pretty awesome. Honestly, I don't think the 66lbs difference would be too noticeable. That's like a 2% increase... What kinda power does this engine make?
In stock form, something like 245-250hp, if I remember right, though it isn't intended for a performance application (so it could probably be retuned to make a bit more)

chrisl 11-20-2013 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1342576)
Yes, you can dream. I don't hate the idea... just it won't fit in the idea of 86, that's all.
I think if it was done carefully, with a new version of the engine (higher revving, higher power, possibly lighter weight, DI?) pushed back as far as possible, possibly combined with some supporting mods (lighter front end? Stiffer chassis? Fatter tires?) and then sold as a BRZ STi, it would fit the idea of the 86 just fine. Even if it ended up weighing 30-50lb more, as long as the suspension and chassis was tuned for the higher power and more weight, and the weight distribution was maintained, I doubt it would be a problem. Actually, if that had been an option last spring, I would likely be driving one right now.

(I'm talking about a proper factory second engine option here, not just dropping an EZ30R in and calling it good)

ichitaka05 11-20-2013 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisl (Post 1342707)
I think if it was done carefully, with a new version of the engine (higher revving, higher power, possibly lighter weight, DI?) pushed back as far as possible, possibly combined with some supporting mods (lighter front end? Stiffer chassis? Fatter tires?) and then sold as a BRZ STi, it would fit the idea of the 86 just fine. Even if it ended up weighing 30-50lb more, as long as the suspension and chassis was tuned for the higher power and more weight, and the weight distribution was maintained, I doubt it would be a problem. Actually, if that had been an option last spring, I would likely be driving one right now rather than my Cayman.

(I'm talking about a proper factory second engine option here, not just dropping an EZ30R in and calling it good)
Subaru won't put H6 in there. Won't worth the R&D and all other stuff. It's prob cheaper and better to drop 2.2~2.5liter H6 instead. If Subaru really do bring BRZ STI, H6 won't be in there 300%. Other name and STI, maybe, but not in BRZ brand

In my view, 86 chassis is a bit too short for H6. They need to make wheel base lil bit longer to make H6 or 6 cylinder in general to bring full potential.

chrisl 11-20-2013 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 1342721)
Subaru won't put H6 in there. Won't worth the R&D and all other stuff. It's prob cheaper and better to drop 2.2~2.5liter H6 instead. If Subaru really do bring BRZ STI, H6 won't be in there 300%. Other name and STI, maybe, but not in BRZ brand

In my view, 86 chassis is a bit too short for H6. They need to make wheel base lil bit longer to make H6 or 6 cylinder in general to bring full potential.
I agree with you - I don't see it happening. I was more just talking about what I wished would happen. On the other hand, a 2.5ish flat 4 could be a possibility at some point down the line.


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